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kevin1
11-06-2013, 12:44 PM
Assuming the shooter is not a variable; can a custom Savage be built in a way that it will shoot consistent sub 0.25 groups?

1.I’m thinking that the Savage action wouldn't allow this kind of accuracy. A custom action might be required (with tighter tolerance and a shorter lock time).
2.If you think the Savage action could allow to achieve this kind of accuracy, then how would you build the rifle?
Savage target action for more rigidity?
Timing the action?
Different trigger?
Prefit barrel vs Custom barrel?
Chassis stock vs aluminum bedding (like a B&C A2)?

pdog06
11-06-2013, 01:32 PM
1/4 moa out to how far? as you know it takes a lot more than just the rifle to consistantly shoot under 1/4 moa, and the components used vary depending upon its intended use.

pisgah
11-06-2013, 01:47 PM
Can a custom Savage shoot a 1/4" group? Sure, some. After all, I have 2 Axis rifles and a Model 110 that will each average under 1/2" with at least one factory load, so no reason a good custom plus some well-crafted handloads wouldn't do better. But I don't think anyone would claim they all will. Generally speaking, I think the barrel is a far more critical factor than the action when it comes to accuracy and, of course, the shooter is the most critical factor of all.

parkj5
11-06-2013, 01:53 PM
Im pretty sure mine will shoot that consistently.I cannot is the only issue.My gunsmith that bedded my gun shot 5 .25 moa groups with my gun 4 out of five groups.My gun started life as a 112 25-06 and is now a 280 rem.SSS Timed trued action,trigger,bolt handle,and bolt fluting.Northland recoil lug.I had Sinarms Chamber Brux 1/9 twist varmit blank for me.Sit it in a Mcmillian stock that was pillar bedded.Talley bases,rings.Leupold 6.5x20x50mm scope.Here is a few targets from breakin shot by me.(which im still learning)


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http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m96/parkj5/IMG_0078.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/parkj5/media/IMG_0078.jpg.html)

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m96/parkj5/IMG_0077.jpg (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/parkj5/media/IMG_0077.jpg.html)

wbm
11-06-2013, 02:13 PM
Assuming the shooter is not a variable; can a custom Savage be built in a way that it will shoot consistent sub 0.25 groups?

Yes.

stangfish
11-06-2013, 02:14 PM
Some factory savages have done that.

stomp442
11-06-2013, 02:32 PM
I have said this before and I will say it again. I would put my custom built savage match rifles up against anything and I do so on a monthly basis. I don't win every time but I do come out on top fairly regularly. Sure makes people mad that my $1200 savage just beat the pants off their $4500 custom.

kevin1
11-06-2013, 02:58 PM
I have said this before and I will say it again. I would put my custom built savage match rifles up against anything and I do so on a monthly basis. I don't win every time but I do come out on top fairly regularly. Sure makes people mad that my $1200 savage just beat the pants off their $4500 custom.

It must be that you're a good shooter, and not necessarily that you’re rifle is more accurate than the rest.
Maybe if you change your rig to a custom $4500, you would win every time. Who knows.

missed
11-06-2013, 03:19 PM
Yes. My 308 does when I do things right.

LoneWolf
11-06-2013, 03:25 PM
I'll let you know how my custom Axis does this weekend.

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Nor Cal Mikie
11-06-2013, 03:30 PM
Every one of my "Custom" barreled Savage rifles will do that. 5 shot groups from 100 yards that can be covered with a dime on a pretty consistant basis. And sometimes even better!
20 VT
20 VT "short"
.221 Fireball
22 BR
6 BR
6.8 SPC
6.8 BR
Gets kinda boring after a while.
Thought of a "High $$" action to build from but why bother?

eddiesindian
11-06-2013, 03:34 PM
Can a custom Savage shoot a 1/4" group? Sure, some. After all, I have 2 Axis rifles and a Model 110 that will each average under 1/2" with at least one factory load, so no reason a good custom plus some well-crafted handloads wouldn't do better. But I don't think anyone would claim they all will. Generally speaking, I think the barrel is a far more critical factor than the action when it comes to accuracy and, of course, the shooter is the most critical factor of all.
+1.......

eddiesindian
11-06-2013, 03:35 PM
Some factory savages have done that.

+1..........

stomp442
11-06-2013, 04:36 PM
It must be that you're a good shooter, and not necessarily that you’re rifle is more accurate than the rest.
Maybe if you change your rig to a custom $4500, you would win every time. Who knows.

It takes an accurate rifle to be competitive and it takes doping the wind to win. You can have a rifle that shoots in the .2s all day but if you can't dope the wind might as well stay home and save your ammo.

bodywerks
11-06-2013, 04:40 PM
Assuming the shooter is not a variable; can a custom Savage be built in a way that it will shoot consistent sub 0.25 groups?

1.I’m thinking that the Savage action wouldn't allow this kind of accuracy. A custom action might be required (with tighter tolerance and a shorter lock time).
2.If you think the Savage action could allow to achieve this kind of accuracy, then how would you build the rifle?
Savage target action for more rigidity?
Timing the action?
Different trigger?
Prefit barrel vs Custom barrel?
Chassis stock vs aluminum bedding (like a B&C A2)?

If you take the shooter out of the equation then lock time nor the trigger would have an affect on accuracy.
Timing the action will not affect groups either.
A factory action, a good stock, bedded or chassis system, and good quality prefit barrel from a reputable maker should have no problem shooting 1/4 minute. It's always going to be the shooter or the ammo consistency that will have the biggest affect on group size beyond that, though.

davemuzz
11-06-2013, 04:50 PM
Not only can a custom one do this, but a factory one will do it as well.

Dave

foxx
11-06-2013, 05:29 PM
**** straight they can!

bodywerks
11-06-2013, 06:14 PM
Not only can a custom one do this, but a factory one will do it as well.

Dave

Can, yes. Will, no guarantee.

missed
11-06-2013, 06:17 PM
My 308 was doing it stock with hand loads, I have since made some changes and it will still do it when I do it.

keeki
11-06-2013, 06:20 PM
I have two savages that will. A 25-06 factory 110fp in a duramaxx and a 25-06ai with a pacnor barrel, tuned 3 screw trigger and a stockys laminate thumbhole