Well I have been considering a 25 in 17H but I think I am going to wait till they get the bugs out . I do have a model 40 which is dead nuts accurate but if you feed off the ramp the overall length has to be no longer than recommended length in the reloading manual. If it is longer it will scratcb the brass. I know the 40 and the 25 are lower cost guns but Savage's lack of attention to detail concerns me.