OK! I found a 25LV 17HH at a Dicks store in Ceader Rapids, IA.. 600Mi. round trip and it is in my hands now. One hole at 50 yards with factory ammo, 1.5" at 200 yds. with factory ammo. All is GOOD in Iowa. I will start working-up a load in the near future. I think that it will do better once I get it all worked out. I will let you know how it all works out in the days to come. Mark PS They said that they have had it for TWO months.