I have heard that er shaw has had some problems with rough chambers and rifling. Some reviews are great for both manufactures but I don't want to end up the unlucky sap with the crap shoot barrel. I might wait on a shilen; it's the one manufacture I have not heard anything bad about besides turn around time. Somethings are worth waiting for like my two model '99's!! Thanks for all the input and when I get closer Im sure I'll have a few more questions. Thanks again for all the help!