Axis trigger and sear just surface hardened?

[cranebird]

OK after looking at it....I am sticking with my original statement, the set screw next to the two diam. spring on the Axis trigger is adjusted to make the safety function properly and left there..... there is no overtravel adjustment (with that set screw) I can see unless you are doing without your safety. Maybe the Timney trigger is made different.

I have three pictures to post but I suspect you already have your mind made up and that is ok but I want to post the pictures and explain what I think how this thing works as a over travel adjustment.

Do you see how when the safety is on the set screw only sits on a portion of the safety switch slide ? At first I said WTH ? The Axis is so cheap they didn't even design the setscrew to sit all of the way underneath the safety slide.



Notice how it sits when the safety is off. The sear tension allows the safety screw to fall past the safety slide. Under motion does it arc forward and make contact with the safety slide ? If it does, it should eliminate the over travel in the trigger system.


Why is the safety selector designed to move further ahead than where it is at with the safety off ? Is it so the safety screw can cam off and push the safety slide forward until the trigger sear is able to release ?Maybe I am reaching for I believe it does control the over travel.

[daviscustom]

It is very hard to see, but yes, it appears that because of it's location relative to the end of the safety, it does limit the overtravel some....at least that is where the trigger hits when it runs out of travel.....but if you try to adjust the overtravel with that screw you will make your safety inoperable. So yes it does limit overtravel, but I don't see how anyone can legitimately say that screw is an overtravel adjustment,because if you use it to adjust overtravel instead of the safety....then you will have no safety.

Maybe you are not familiar with an overtravel adjustment......normally it would be adjustable so that the trigger only has enough travel to reliably break and that is as far as it goes.....this example doesn't really do that...though yes it is the limiting factor in the trigger overtravel on this trigger, it doesn't do much to eliminate overtravel.

[cranebird]

It's ok that your not buying into it . You stated that you were getting the Jard trigger system but apparently you failed to read its installation instructions or you would have known step 14 of the 17 step instructions basically says the same thing.

http://www.jardinc.com/images/storie...als/savage.pdf

[short round]

Jard will not work on Axis, with out some serious modification.

[daviscustom]

Yes after looking a little closer, it looks like the Jard sear is not for an Axis, so it would be crap shoot ordering it. It looks like the middle set screw is farther back and may not clear the safety with it in either position. They don't get specific about what it will work on.....just says Savage centerfire, but I don't think I'm going to order one just to see if I can make it work.

Ok cranebird, it looks like you have taken the locking compound off the set screw in question, so you should be able to test your theory. Can you adjust that screw so that the overtravel is eliminated and the safety still works? Would you agree that for it to be a true overtravel adjustment, the trigger should be able to be adjusted so that rearward travel is stopped just past the breaking point?.....and the safety still should work?......can you adjust that set screw to fulfill these criteria?

I am willing to accept that it works....if it does work. This is not something that has to be taken on faith, you have the ability to prove to yourself if it works. You are the one that is convinced it will work....have you tried it?

I will be controlling overtravel in the linkage that actuates the trigger in my bullpup, so I just want the safety to work.

[cranebird]

Yes after looking a little closer, it looks like the Jard sear is not for an Axis, so it would be crap shoot ordering it. It looks like the middle set screw is farther back and may not clear the safety with it in either position. They don't get specific about what it will work on.....just says Savage centerfire, but I don't think I'm going to order one just to see if I can make it work.

Ok cranebird, it looks like you have taken the locking compound off the set screw in question, so you should be able to test your theory. Can you adjust that screw so that the overtravel is eliminated and the safety still works? Would you agree that for it to be a true overtravel adjustment, the trigger should be able to be adjusted so that rearward travel is stopped just past the breaking point?.....and the safety still should work?......can you adjust that set screw to fulfill these criteria?

I am willing to accept that it works....if it does work. This is not something that has to be taken on faith, you have the ability to prove to yourself if it works. You are the one that is convinced it will work....have you tried it?

I will be controlling overtravel in the linkage that actuates the trigger in my bullpup, so I just want the safety to work.

You might not believe how many hours I've been messing with this trigger system from throwing a snap cap in it and messing with it to see what can be done to improve it since it was basically down from not having a workable scope for it. I was going to mill the pin hole and install a abec bearing from which it would pivot on when I hit a trigger pull barrier in which I couldn't overcome from polishing, switching other components but I never got that far.I then began shimming the sear notch which broke the barrier and then too weak of a trigger spring that compressed made the gun fail to fire so my advice is to buy a accutrigger or an Timney or a Basix that is designed to drop in and forget the old system and be done with it. I had to search to find that the safety screw actually does as I thought and there was proof. Who am I to say you would get the same results if I were not there to know you were adjusting it properly ? Buy the Drop in trigger and move forward.....

[daviscustom]

I am willing to believe that it can be made to work if you tell us that you got it to work and show us how you did it. I can only assume that you couldn't make it work to prove your theory.

I may end up installing an aftermarket trigger some day, but I will likely pursue cheaper options to improve what I have first. I have made shims to take the side to side play out of the trigger and reduced the sear engagement on mine and so far the trigger is better then it was. I would like to find one of the old savage triggers that has the adjustment for sear engagement and play with one of those a little.