64F Jamming

[river251]

Hi Bolt - Welcome to the 'wonderful world of 64s' I too had that problem when I got my 64, and found lots of threads about maintenance and mods for it. Ther main solution is to 'polish' the feed ramps on both the magazine and the chamber ramp. Here is one thread : " https://www.savageshooters.com/showt...ng-First-Round " - Just don't go overboard with 'sanding' - polishing is better, if slower, in my opinion. You can also find info on Youtube . And I have several threads about mods I've done if you search under my Username.

I didn't find any solutions on that webiste...

[Fasteddie01]

Hi river251 - The first thing to try is to 'polish' the feed ramps of both the magazine and the chamber (as stated in that thread - Post #5). I also have a post with details on magazine 'fixes', since the 'pot metal' mags wear and also can get 'bent' to be too tight to allow proper feed. ( https://www.savageshooters.com/showt...t-and-accuracy ) It's a fine balance to reach, but my post gives measurements of both my 'old mags' and some brand new ones for comparison. ( I have 3-old and 3-new ) After adjusting the old ones to the 'new' specs, they work just fine. Only one gives probs, since I cut ONE loop (early on)of the spring, to allow easier loading. That isn't a good idea
I have a few other posts regarding mods and 'fixes' if you care to look them up, too. There's a lot that can be done for NO COST, just time and thought.
Ed

[bolt223]

Fasteddie01,

I was looking at my rifle with the Herter's target hollow point ammo that I have. I put five rounds in the mag and as I cycled them in the gun I pushed the bottom back of the mag forward to see if it changed the angle of the mag feed ramp. It did. It caused the rounds to bounce up to the top of the chamber missing the barrel. So I can get the two extremes with the rounds, jammed against the bottom of the barrel just above the mag well ramp and all the way to the top of the chamber. So now I have to work on the mag and the mag well ramp to get the angle just right.
I ordered a new magazine for it. I am going to cycle some hollow point rounds through it first. If they don't jam I will use it for the hollow point rounds and the original magazine for the round nose. If it also jams I will work on the original mag until I get it to shoot hollow points.
The Herter's targets I have tried almost work. I think it will take a little bet of tweaking to get them to work.
By the way, what do you use to polish the mag, super fine sand paper, steel wool?

[river251]

Thanks to you guys for alerting me to this. I did a lot of research and found lots of folks with the same problems. My 64 was on the way to my local Sportsman's, but I cancelled it and ordered a 10/22. Thanks.

[Fasteddie01]

Hi River - Once the mags are 'fixed' you have a rifle that is as accurate 9 if not better) than the 10/22, for half the price.

Bolt, I use 1000g wet/dry to polish the mags. I also used it on all the internal parts that have any friction - sear, hammer interface, bolt faces (all 4), inside of the receiver (often rough spots from milling). Placing the paper on a hard surface like metal or glass will give you support for a flat polishing. Then use a few drops of light oil and go

for the sear release I just 'broke' the edge to allow it to 'slip' easier, and polished all the sides just for cleanliness :

Also, I 'opened' the bottom metal and mag well to make the mags go in easier - a bit of filing then polish, too.

I got the spring Kit from MCarbo (about $15CDN), Then, I replaced the trigger return spring with 'part' of one from a clic-pen. The trigger is under 3# now.


All of these mods are suggested with the usual 'Safety Caveat' in that I am not a certified gunsmith. These work safely for me, some for over 3 years and several hundred rounds.

Also, I don't know if you're aware of this but there is often a problem 'special' to 22s - carbon ring in the chamber. From what many have determined it is due to un-burnt lube and powder build-up at the mouth of the cartridge. This often will cause the first 'cold shot' to be deflected by the 'crust' of this 'ring', which is partly self-correcting after subsequent shots. The 'ring' softens from heat of firing, but will re-harden after a short time (some feel 10-15 minutes). Then the problem re-asserts itself. It seems that the 'ring' is difficult to remove with most cleaners, even 'named' Carbon Cleaners. I have ordered a product that is 'said' to dissolve the ring , and will advise when I get some and test it. Assiduous brushing of the ring can remove it, but will eventually damage the chamber and throat, so is not recommended.
I don't know if this is a critical issue for the casual shooter, but if you're trying to get MOA ( 1/2" at 50) this treatment can't hurt ( except your wallet). The product that was recommended is BoreTech C4 and costs over $40 cdn for 16 oz. so I'll let you know how it works soon. ( https://www.amazon.ca/Bore-Tech-BTCC...473365&sr=8-42 )

ed

[bolt223]

Fasteddie01,

Thanks for the detailed info. I will get it sorted out eventually.

I agree about the rifle being a great shooting gun for the price. It shoots really tight groups and is pretty accurate.

[river251]

Well, you are right. The 10/22 is not $95 like the savage fv sr was at Sportsman's Spring Shooting Sale, but not too bad but this is a short run of them that Ruger says won't last long. Getting a barrel like the fv sr has will bump it up 200 or so if I decide to do that to get quiet.

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/rifles/ruger-1022-carbine-blackgray-semi-automatic-rifle-22-long-rifle/p/1538005">https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-...-22-long-rifle

I read alot about feed problems with the Savage but never got to the point it seemed like there were solutions but if you found some, good deal. I would just rather not have to deal with it, I have little enough time.

Thanks.

[Fasteddie01]

HI bolt - Yes, moving the bottom of the magazine can help feeding also. I experimented with that too. The best was adding some JB weld (pic in previous post) to the mag to hold it in place, just lightly file to fit until it works On another I filled in with a 2-part epoxy, then filed. Another I just filed the metal, that didn't seem to help or hurt ;-(
I measured some 'new' mags to see how the old and new compared, then was able to adjust the old ones to match. The article I posted is here : https://www.savageshooters.com/showt...t-and-accuracy

Some of my attempts:

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