Savage Hate

**darkker** · 02-18-2015, 11:54 PM

Suppose it depends on specifically what the gripes were.
For those of us who have long been Frankenstein-ing savages, there are some real annoyances. Savages have always been great $300 rifles.
There un-ending QC problems keep them there, only now they charge much much more. That tends to sour people.

Mach2 · 02-19-2015, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by darkker

Suppose it depends on specifically what the gripes were.
For those of us who have long been Frankenstein-ing savages, there are some real annoyances. Savages have always been great $300 rifles.
There un-ending QC problems keep them there, only now they charge much much more. That tends to sour people.

Check the Remys now too. They aren't what they were 10 years ago. Across the board there are few rifles sold today that could equal the same quality of years past.
Savages are very accurate. They are durable and you do see them in matches. I discovered them by accident. They will outshoot a Ruger m77.
Only accurate rifles are interesting.

Twinsen · 02-19-2015, 05:42 AM

I've also heard a couple people say that Savage makes inaccurate rifles. Well, not everybody is intelligent.

Savage has accuracy, good triggers, and ease of rebarreling. Honestly, they don't have anything else going for them. But they don't really need anything else, that's 3 awesome things. They have started to cheap out on some things, and that concerns me. If they do something that compromises their accuracy, it's over.

I've never heard of an accurate Ruger product. I love Ruger, but accuracy isn't their deal. Reliable, simple, overbuilt, customizable, affordable, and probably something else I forgot to praise them for. Their downside is lots of unnecessary safety equipment you have to remove and weak accuracy. Oh, also they steal designs and make a lot of "me-too" type products.

Remington and the rest of Freedom Group appear to have taken a trip down the high dive and are swimming for rock bottom. Something very big is going to have to happen for them to turn it around and stop producing junk.

Winchester already did this. They hit rock bottom. FN bought them out for the IP and I think they're the best big shop in the world now. But I know that one day there will be that voice that says, "Hey, let's start cutting corners!"

Smith&Wesson bounced a bit on this, and I'm not sure which direction they're heading. They started using MIM parts and adding key locks to their guns. They went from having famously good triggers to famously bad triggers. I know they have offered some guns without key locks, but I believe in order to get a trigger group that isn't made of gravel impregnated rubber you need to order a custom shop model.

Mossberg makes good, cheap stuff. I think a lot of it is too cheap, but I like their pumps and the MVP is something people have begged for. My MVP isn't too great, but it also doesn't do anything that ticks me off. So that's good. In an industry that is looking to put out consistently bad product, a gun that doesn't hiccup is a star.