BOB......That's an excellent point! The little 17 Hornet will have virtually no recoil and with bullet speeds like those of the Fireball, I've whacked groundhogs out to 150 yards and they just fall over. Those little bullets just explode inside 'em. Of course, you don't have the inside-out "dissection" like the .223 will give you....but for starters...that's just fine.