Perhaps it will help to put it in a better context, i hunt in very heavy timber/brush and most of the time i am sitting down when calling. It isn't practical to have a big long barrel rifle when crawling along on my belly. Thus i use my .223ar, while i don't have much trouble removing bears with that rifle in the 10-25yd shots that is the norm, the last one got a little close before going down.

After looking at the rem30, the 6.5grendell, i settled on the 6.8spc for my close up round. I have a bison armory upper on order and it will work fine, i am simply looking for feedback from other owners to see how they like theirs. blue