Thanks 5Wire, you have encouraged me to load a test of Sierra 69 gr HPBT over some IMR 8208 which is a new to me powder. I'll let you know. You owe it to yourself to try the sierra 52gr hpbt over 26.1 gr IMR 4895 2.260 OAL which is a solid preformer in two of my pals savage 223s out to 400 yds. So far it is the best in mine. Regards