thankya sir, i guess i will try the 55vmax or nosler in that range. i dont save pelt either mostly help out farmers and such. just bites hard that my 1-12 r700 will shoot 52smkhp's into one hole at 100 and i was hopin to stretch the legs on the ol 223 but i may just end up loadin both with a nice 50-55 and let it ride.