Thanks for all the info, and of course I will start low. I also prefer properly headstamped brass but haven't been able to find any in stock. I have lots of .308 brass so I necked up and prepped some over the winter and now that its nicer out, I was hoping to get some range time in. I agree with the 225's being too heavy but for what I paid for them, I thought they would fireform just fine. I was planning on trying the nosler 180's too, I will just have to do some more looking once I get some brass done.