Thanks earl39 I will look over there. The guys I saw at a match in SC was out shooting everybody there with his 12F in .308 at 100yds. That gun would shoot 5 round in almost one hole, It was the best shooting 12F savage I have ever seen. I looked the gun over and it "LOOKED" stone stock other then the barrel tuner I don't know?? He ask me to shoot the gun after the match and I was floored I am no pro by no means but I could shoot a 3 shot group almost in the same hole. I know the ammo was tailored for the rifle but amazing...