I hope they work for you. They are basically a FMJ to me. The lot I have will not shoot in anything I have. I think part of the problem is the hard sharp edge that is on each bullet at the top edge where the boat tail meets the full bearing surface. And the ogive is all over the place. I am getting 0.003" variance in seating depth. There are ALWAYS flyers in every group. Not like a 1/4" or so, but sometimes inches!