thanks cf for that write up,dont think i have eye relief problems,if i were would i not be able to get good groups at all?like i said each time i set the scope its grouping good,then ill fire 5 to eight shots at my targets,(rabbit)it seems to knock em ,then next session,its off 2-3 inches,and i have to re zero,its like that every shoot,im just gonna buy another scope a hawke,and see what happens,one should not have to zero for every shoot,wasting alot of ammo