PhilC, I'm not ashamed to name the timber company. They issued 10-20K permits in each of their 100+ areas. They admitted that they were selling EVERY permit EVERY year. When I added up the numbers, they were taking in more than 10 MILLION dollars a year and never selling a log for it. Just another case of riding to the bank on the back of hunting industry. And thanks, Frontier, for the info. I'm in Seattle so it would be a healthy drive but that would be OK for a 3 or 4 day hunt. I'll keep in touch.