[QUOTE=LongRange;394301]im going to have a talk with Mr.Furious and see if he will make another sub forum for you and buck...buck and todds LR corner or todd and bucks LR corner...you two can fight over whos name is first since you are both experts on the subject....HOLD ON...ive got a better idea...you two could start a ELR school...youd both be rich in no time...OH ****...that wont work...youd be to busy telling everyone how easy it is and buck would be to busy telling everyone it cant be done...on second thought it might not work out.
Lmao lmao. I was thinking the exact same things. Figured have an off topic thread. Since they can ruin a thread like no other.
They don't give a **** that they do. They just keep rambling on n on n on. Get tired of hearing and seeing it.
Lmao I laugh not because they are funny or what they do is. They just don't shut up about being the greatest or not possible for someone else. Get over yourself.
I can say also this will do NOTHING good about changing this. But I'm sure others feel the same.
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Last edited by XL105; 01-14-2017 at 06:18 PM.
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
i could go on and on but i will leave it at this as its just a waste of my time debating or arguing with you...what ever you want to call it...but you know the funny part?...i consider myself an AVERAGE shooter so im not even in the same class as you...maybe some day...if you do end up getting the school up and running let me know id love to come and learn from the pros!!
Where EXACTLY in my post did I mention MY GREATNESS? I stated 5 OPINIONS about LR and ELR shooting that I thought might be useful for guys getting started in the discipline.Originally Posted by LongRange
like i said im not calling anyone a liar but the things you post are hard to believe...keep in mind there are some guys that actually shoot...A LOT...and are serious about it and when you come in saying how great you are someone is bound to call you on it...
you say you use to load at the range? i do too...
heres a match we shot last year in a pouring rain...
850yd coyote in front of the farthest truck up the hill...
I never mentioned my ability to do anything.
I never said anything about any shot I had SUPPOSEDLY made.
I did try to give a counter point to some people who OPINE that shooting ACCURATELY at long distance is some kind of black magic.
The WHOLE POINT of the whole post is that ANYONE can do it. I am actually very rusty as I only get to shoot 1 or 2 days a month now.
The main reason I posted this thread which I STARTED and didn't intrude on someone else's thread was to MAYBE help XL105 who has been wrongly told he cant shoot a mile and to help another guy who shot at a 24" target 35 times at 1 mile and only recorded 3 hits, which I am Assuming was mostly due to an inability to measure bullet impact as I cant comprehend even wasting ammo like that without solid feedback as to what was happening.
Evidently there is a reason that few LR guys post on here. I will go back to my hole on LRH and leave you guys to whatever it is you do here. Kinda hard to learn anything if you don't listen. I learned something from Hafjed about LR spotting. I thought these forums were to learn on but evidently they are better suited for penis measurement. Bye Felicia.
Speaking of people who think they are all that and such.......you really had to use LONG RANGE as your screen name? And I think my defecation doesn't produce odor? You are something else sir. Have fun being the big fish in a little pond and pissing off anyone who might actually know something about LONG RANGE but who might threaten your self proclaimed status as THE LONG RANGE guy on this board.
Ever heard of a pot calling a kettle black?
it was an 18" target at 1845yds..and you are right not having a spotter was the problem as i could not see my impacts...i ended up filming with my phone on my spotting scope like hafe did to see where i was....also like i said i dont claim to be gods gift to the sport and unlike a LOTTA ppl i post the good with the bad.
and FYI ive got a small penis so we will keep them out of this but i will say that you dont post like this over on LRH because if you did the fellas would rail you right off the board(or is that why your here now?)now thats not my intent here so you take it how you want i could careless...and hafe need your help...hafes pics should be enough to show he is a capable shooter...your more that rusty my friend and it seems like you learned something from me whether you want to admit it or not other wise you wouldnt be acting like my kid when i tell him he cant have a candy bar.
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Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
it was supposed to be shortrange but im just learning how to spell...and ive said a million times i DO NOT claim to be an expert on any of this or THE LONG RANGE guy on this board or any other board i just call em like i see em.
im not pissed off im actually amused at this point.
toddc- It is surprising to you that grown men, that have been mastering their art, don't take kindly to being talked to like children? The condescending nature of the first post in this thread makes it evident that you just don't get it. Thanks for the basics. I never knew a spotter was so key to shooting by long range. When I want to shoot, I go shoot, whether people come or not.
No great loss will be felt by your absence, nobody will wonder where you went and what knowledge they missed, they will just remember a grumpy old man that needed to be the last word.
As as far as the penis measuring, I recall you being the one that kept pulling out the tape measure. Every thread you posted in turned into a "mines bigger than yours is." Some, quite literally.
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Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
it's becoming more amusing to lurk on this forum than to post lol.
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I'm not surprised one bit by this thread. I'll admit, when I have a good day at a match or just at the range I think to myself that I've got something figured out.. But that typically doesn't last long because my next match or range session will humble the crap out of me. LongRange has been quite helpful to me for some time now through PM's and phone calls or even text messages and he NEVER capitalizes words or talks down to me. My suggestion to toddcdozer would be just to tone it down a bit (on second thought, tone it down a bunch) and practice a little humility. We want to celebrate everyone's success with them whatever level that may be, but we don't want to be told how freakin easy this stuff is when we're all just doing the best we can.
Well I personaly don't think there is anything needing defending. Obviously the ones who do feel that way have already done so.
Ive tried to explain to you (personaly), there are 2 types of long range shooting. But let me repeat that for all to see.
I can take (any) one inch group shooter, never having fired a single shot long range, and have them hitting milk jugs at 1000 yds much easier than they thought it possible.
I'm not saying, and haven't ever said, they could then go win a rifle match, because I do in fact know better than to say or even think that.
But if they can hit a milk jug consistantly, they can also kill a deer long range if they desire to do so.
Whats so hard to understand about that?
A poor shot at a target on a windy day, is simply a poor shot at a target. But it could be a whole different story for a deer you might never even find.
Whats so hard to understand about that?
I would think that even a non hunter might be able to figure that out, without it being explained in detail.
There would also be equiptment by way of optics other than rifle scopes, that are (necessary) to achieve those type results.
But that statement obviously comes off as an insult to some people, same as the lowly 1" shooter claim?
You guys can go shoot at your targets all you like, on any day you like, with any gun you like, in an attempt to defy the odds.
But when pics get posted showing just a couple hits out of an admitted 35 shots, beyond the accuracy capability of a gun, and probably the shooter?
Probably had I agreed with it all and joined in with the applause section, this whole thing might not have happened.
But on any other site where more experienced long range shooters might be, one wouldn't even dare post something like.
Yobuck is a f in tard
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
ok buck since im on a roll anyway im going to get you lined out as well here because i and just about EVERYONE on this site is sick of you coming in and turning EVERY thread into a hunting debate when it actually has NOTHING TO DO WITH HUNTING!!
first i know perfectly well 1845yds is a LONG shot for a 300 win mag..i also admit that 3 hits outta 35 rounds is sad and ive said that..i also admit a good spotter MAY have made all the difference and i also admit REPEATEDLY THAT I AM NOT gods gift to long range shooting like you are...maybe after the class right?
with that said did you bother to READ ANY OF WHAT I POSTED? or just the part about 3 hits out of 35 rounds fired? uumm thats what i thought...FYI buck...at 1845yds,snowy day,white targets kinda hard to see and thats why after the first set up i when back and set up the plywood target to the right as a reference.
as ive said im not scared to post the good with the bad because i honestly could careless what you or anyone else thinks about my skills or lack of and like ive seen YOU say...most PPL target shooters and HUNTERS alike post what they WANT ppl to see NOT WHAT ACTUALLY happened...i dont hunt so i could careless about you droning on and on in EVERY Fn thread about you cant do that but if you were at my camp in PA we would get you all straightened out...and if i ever decide to start hunting i sure as hell wouldnt ask you for any advise because i already know my limitations and i think ive had this conversation with you and i remember saying i wouldnt take a shot at a live target much farther than about 800yds.
now just because you can not make a 1000yd cold bore shot with your 40lb bench cannon dont mean somewhere in the world..other than PA..guys get it done with much smaller cartridges WITHOUT a spotter...99% of my shooting is done without a spotter because 99% of the time i can see my own impacts and i just dont play well with others...PART of your problem is you are SO SET IN YOUR WAYS AND THINKING that you cant see past that.
99% of the posts on THIS site and EVERY other site for that matter when it comes to long range shooting ARE TARGETS buck NOT HUNTING YOU just turn it into hunting!! so who gives a SH!T if someone cold bores the target and stacks 49 more on top of the first shot or if they have 1 impact out of 50? THEY ARE OUT TRYING TO IMPROVE!!
so like you said to XL105...WHATS SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?? TARGETS DO NOT WONDER OFF INTO THE TREES AND SUFFER BUCK!!
normally i keep my mouth shut but between you and todd i just cant take anymore and as i said im pretty sure EVERYONE feels the same way!!
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Interesting thread.
My train of thought on this thread is the same train of thought I have while tossing them out to distance against all range of shooters, from self proclaimed experts who are always willing to spew there expert advice whether you ask for it or not, to shooter's who believe the more coin you have on the rig the more accurate you'll be to great friends, fellow shooters, and foes alike.
I prefer to weed out the bad and keep the good. Stay quiet, listen and learn if need be, and let your actions and outcomes speak for themselves. Keep it humble.
To the op.......I believe you meant well by posting your thread but imho, maybe a different title to your thread like......."For those beginners who may be interested in shooting long range "
Even then your going to get difference of opinions, some good,some really off the path and so on.
The ying and yang of shooting and reloading is all subjective. Always has been, always will be.
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We are arguing about two separate things here... My personal standard on hunting is if I cannot place a bullet in the vitals with 98% certainty, I wait for a better opportunity. The animal deserves that mercy.
Target shooting is another matter altogether.. you don't improve if you don't push the limits to find the maximum range and conditions... failure is part of that process..
Interesting thread. Back when I went thru boot we had open sites on a 5.56 at 200, 300 and 500. At 200 you were standing and sitting. We had a military issued log book and guys in the pits marking shots. Reading wind was looking at the big sock on the berm. I learned the old way and I'm no thousand yard shooter, sniper, mile shot guy and I am rusty as heck. The challenge of making long shots, even 500 yards is fun. If our local range manages to open up the 1000 yard range you can bet I'll be there.
The technology as stated is mind boggling. Hand held wind meters that calculate elevation, angle to target, wind speed then spit out your dope. Scope mounted gadgets that calculate everything and bam, you're on target. Saw a guy at the range that had the $600 wind meter dohicky, apps on his ipad, phone and a host of other high end objects and I could only think to myself, how could you miss?? I have no issues with the guys that buy all of this gear, spend upwards of $10k for a rifle and ding a target at 1000 yards or parade around with their tiny groupings. I have more respect for the guys that have a simple book, maybe a calculator and MATH that do the same thing. Taking a scope dialed in at 100 yards then randomly picking 6" steel targets around the range at guesstimated distances and nailing them first shot with some holdover on the scope impresses me more than thousands of dollars in gadgets that enables you to do so.
Now, a quality chronograph to find that perfect load, I see this as a valuable tool. The precision rifle, yeah, valuable but as I said in the beginning we were hitting bulls at 500 in boot with open sites on rifles that have had God only knows how many rounds sent down the barrel. I think shooting is like a profession. Some people can others can't so they make gadgets for those that lack the ability, a compensator if you will. In my profession the career picks you, you don't pick the career. Some claim to be welders and shouldn't be and have witnessed as a teacher many who have tried and tried and never could master it or even grasp it. Some slip thru and claim to be and the evidence is in the welds I'm called out to repair all the time. They even make gadgets in welding for those who can't weld, enabling.
I'm old school, the challenge of figuring it out without the dodads and gadgets is more fun, keeps the wheels turning and learning in my opinion. As I said, I have no disrespect for those that support the gadget market but if you see me at the range and you're talking about what a tack driver you have and how you never miss at xxx or xxxx yards and your bench is full of the latest and greatest do everything for me gadgets then be prepared for me to give you a fake smile and a customary "cool".
That's just my opinion and what makes this sport entertaining for me. To each his own I guess.
Great write up Weldnfool.
I couldn't agree with you more. I find it challenging to do my own math on ballistics calculations, good old calculator, pencil and note book. Took me months to come up with my own formula to adjust my 1/4 moa scope (which works everytime I might add) at what ever distances. Sure there,s gizmos,gadets and calculators out there that work just fine but like I said, Its a challenge to configure it on your own. You,d swear I just won the lotto after sending a round out to whatever distance and hitting my objective 1st round. It sure does help keep the brain cells active. Im not a hunter, Im a target shooter so dialing up the turrets doesn't have to be done asap.
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If you guys have a minute I would like to see the formula you use to calculate drop with. How much information are you taking into consideration? Thanks
I doubt you will find many doing their own calculations by using a formula.
Most would use a program like JBM or one of many others available.
The more accurate the information entered, the more accurate the information received.
For casual shooters, and most hunters, a simple version chart showing elevation only will suffice.
This can also be obtained by using JBM and entering (averages) for things like elevation, temp, barametric pressure, etc.
The rest of the information is what ever it is at the moment, and needs to be acted upon accordingly by use of sighter shots.
The most accurate way is to have a dedicated I phone with a program installed, and do it for each shot, or at least the first shot.
Thanks Eddie. I seriously sucked at math in school and now my job is filled with it and my hobby has it too! Hobby and job make it interesting I guess and want to force myself into figuring it out. I know what you mean about the lotto, when I figure it out I smile to myself, maybe chuckle become a bit of a big shot and joke around with my kid or friend about being awesome, joking of course! To much to learn to get the swelled head and stay in the clouds!
It is challenging to do the math. I think that's what perks our interest. As "we" mentioned, sure there's calculations apps out. You'd have to have been living and hiding under a rock for years not to know that.
As long as all my input data is 100% correct to calculate my drop (G1 or G7) from bullet manufacturer websites via the Web then my come up formula for my scope is spot on. Sure they give you drop in inches, moa, mil, adjustments but for me? That ain't no fun.
I guess we're on the same boat here. My shooting buddies think I'm full of crap until they see me hit 6"x8" steels from
500 to 800 yds using my formula. They laugh it off which is good by me. There a great bunch of guys.
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