I'm in the process of working with the vld,s in 130gr target. So far?. They,ve performed better than 142 smks and 140gr hornady. I'm my case? The vlds are doingwell right at the lands. I see 1st hand why shooters prefer bergers. Just wish they weren't so pricey. Not done with load development on thee smks yet but I think I'm done with the hornady. I'm using those to fire form my necked down 308 to 260 LC brass.