thanx guys. I pulled bullet from next round charge weighed exactly what it was supposed to. although, I did read that loose primers can cause this and these are pretty easy to prime and the pocket is deep. Lucky, seems to be no damage to bolt face. I'll soot a fired round and see if the shoulders need a bump but, these have only been fired a couple times. The powder has been working great, maybe to clean takes a bunch of foulers to start grouping after cleaning. I'll take 'em apart and start over. Yes foxx it got my attention!