One thing I forgot is that they are jealous of the nut. Try telling someone to do a remage swap,some guys go biserk. The other real problem for them is the lousy trigger system that savage has never tried to improve. You cant hang a jewel to a savage and really end up with a good safe trigger.I dont like the triggers but I can live with that.I just use sss,rifle basix and a 3 screw on hunting rifles or even the accutrigger.I have interest in all guns including remmy,winchester,H&R(got a 45/70 with the jap barrel and it really shoots),fn's,colt,rock river,mossberg etc etc etc etc etc . If you love guns you love them allperiod IMHO. I love savages despite the trigger system and I will continue to build them up and have alot of fun.