mazda...that is very close to what I'm after. In fact, me thinks that will achieve the desired result. SOCNET has a thread/pic of an M1 done with the homemade stain procedure, vinigar, steel wool, etc. Fairly involved but looks great. I want the stock to still show some grain so looks like your method will do just fine. Thanks much, kb

p.s. Of course I saw your post awhile back, dipped if I could remember where, figures it would be right in front of me.