Thanks guys, very informative answers and better yet information that makes sence and has reasoning to it......as a side note, have you guys ever noticed how much more you need to learn about something when you're on a budget. A lot of guys with enough cash seem to walk into a smiths shop, lay down X thousand dollars and ask for the best rifles the smith can build for each event, while the rest of us can (or at least try) to do just about as well by learning how and why things work and finding cheaper solutions (its just a lot more work!)