Westcliffe I always start at 50 yards just to be sure I'm on paper(way I was taught). The fps on the boxes were stated at 1600 and estimated trajectory is +1"@50,0@100 and -2.5@150 IIRC but those numbers did not even come close in the real world, closer to + 3 @50 and 0@ 100 which was more like what I was expecting. The winchester sabots are shootable but I would prefer a little better accuracy, the Hornady on the other hand I in good concience(sp) would not be able to use. I had the same results years ago when I tried this style bullet in my muzzle loader, was a 1 1/4" gun with hollow points and a 5" gun with the plastic tipped. When that happened I thought the tip was being deformed while loading, but after unloading by hand found that not to be true.

Moa if I can find some after the season I will give them a try, just not to sure how the foster style will shoot through a rifled barrel.