thanks for the replys..my savage barrel was a 1-12 tw..the best load i found w ww748 and a 52 gr amax..suprer combination..now the criteriam is a 1-12 tw ..so i went to a 60gr vmax..shot for s///t..so i reverted to what i knew...52 gr & ww748..sgot better but still s//t...now i'm going to thry a 69 gr vmax and varget and see if it gets better,,and if it does i'll be the st to eat my words about citerian..if not chop saw. and a lot of negitive press