acemisser glad you got your rifle back! Sounds like its shoots better ,what kind of groups are acceptable in f class at 250?I can hit pie plates ,but i want to hit a nat's a.. at 100 yds. I start my loads half grn. or a the min. for the powder i use and go from there. The last loads i shot were set at 2.356 for oal for a 50 gr. moly v-max,thats base to bullet tip. the ogive for that seating depth put s it at .132 ths. off the lands/thats to much jump i think?