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    The powers that be at Savage arms have mad a lot of changes since 2013. The newer designations use 110 for both long and short actions. So both of your"new and newer" rifles are short actions. That's probably why your bolt seems to fit both, but beware there could be a difference in the head spacing, as it's set with the bolt in place, so I would keep them in the rifle they came in.

    Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth (around 1958) the oldest continuously manufactured bolt-action rifle in America was born and there was just the model 110 for both long and short action calibers.

    Here's a corrective addendum to my post thanks to Jim, "There were in fact separate long and short actions made from 1959-1987 (no short actions or S/A cartridges were offered in the 110 in 1958). The short actions were 0.540" shorter in overall length than the long-action and are what we refer to as Gen I S/A's. They had a screw spacing of 4.522" and are what some incorrectly refer to as "J-Series" short-actions. This info is in Bob Greenleaf's article here on the site. All were referred to as 110's (and later 111's and 112's as they came into being in the mid-late 1970's).

    From 1988-1997 everything was built on a long-action length action (with long-action screw spacing). Those chambered for short-action cartridges just had a shorter magazine port cut into the bottom to accommodate the shorter magazines.

    This next little bit was just easier to cut and paste from Wikipedia than to explain
    "In 1998, Savage re-engineered the short-action Model 110 and adopted a new model numbering scheme to differentiate short-action models from long actions. The short-action Model 110 became the Model 10, while the long-action model remained the Model 110. The Model 110 is the basis for the entire line of Savage centerfire bolt-action rifles, including the Models 11/111, 12, 14/114, 16/116, and Model 210 bolt-action shotgun as well as the Stevens Model 200. The series is available in a wide variety of chamberings, from .204 Ruger to .338 Winchester Magnum, to suit the needs of most shooters." Thanks Wikipedia.

    Some of the 12/112s use the standard 10/110 style action while the newer version of their "target" series uses the target action which is different and has 3 action screws.
    The LE designation is pretty much a 10/110 with a heavy barrel and a varmint accutrigger which leads me to note, there are 3 different "accutriggers". The standard/hunting version 2.5-6#, the varmint version 1.5-5# and the target version 6oz-2#.
    Somewhere down the line the "package" rifles which through the years have come with a variety of scopes from Leupold on the old LE package and also came with Leupold mounts, a Harris bi pod and Pelican case, (darn nice LE setup) to, the 11/111 ready to hunt packages that came with lower end Simmons, Bushnell, Weaver, Nikon with BDC reticle, Vortex (maybe some others) and the "packages" started coming with economy stocks and plastic "bottom metal" and magazines which were economy versions of the standard 11/111s. You can also throw he Stevens 200 into the mix which was another economy offering similar to an 11/111 for several years of production.
    Then there is a difference between large shank and small shank barrels, actions and nuts. The most common is the small shank. Here's a link http://savageshooters.com/content.ph...el-Shank-Sizes

    I love the old 16/116s and I'm pretty sure the "Storm" is probably just a more "politically correct" name for a weather resistant rifle than the "Weather Warrior." Possibly in line with doing away with the Indian head logo.
    Why they decided to change the model designations is beyond me unless they figured it was a way to cause mass confusion in the customer base and maybe try to screw up efforts to make sense of it all for the average Joe.
    Dang I miss Ron Coburn
    Hope this helps a little.
    Last edited by big honkin jeep; 06-13-2019 at 12:17 PM. Reason: addendum
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