Quote Originally Posted by yobuck View Post
The Cutting Edge facility is located in Drifting PA. The owners name is Dan Smitco, and its less than an hour from our camp.
Ive been there, had the tour, and watched them being made. At that time, which was about 4 years back they were not advertising BC numbers and he told me why.
I'm sure there would be lots of label readers who need to know that type information, and possibly
that changed their way of thinking on that, but that dosent change any facts.
If you want a true picture of what bullet performs better at say 1500 yds, there is only one good way of doing that. And its the same way as getting an exact zero for your gun, but again, to each his own.
For the record I don't use Cutting Edge bullets, i have tried them and find the plain jane SMKs and Hornadys work just fine in my guns.
But, from what I'm told, by the now few people I know who still shoot in the matches, custom bullets are what is primarily being used.
But I can tell you the walls in that facility have lots of enviable elk and mule deer trophys hanging on them.
All taken in Idaho by him and his group by long range hunting, and supposedly with his bullets. Now call me old, or whatever you choose, but if I wanted information on where to go and how to kill a nice elk long range, id be asking somebody like him, even though he isn't a (ahem) shooter. For sure I wouldn't seek out someone who does pretty good in f class shooting, who also owns a rangefinder and a Kestral. But that's just me, and I am aware were in the information age.
I'm also aware of the importance of accurate information for competition where sighters aren't permitted, even though I consider that just plain dumb. I'm also familiar with rangefinders of every type, having owned them and used them for more years than most reading this have been breathing. In fact, if you ever decide your rangefinder is the best, bring it around, and we can compare rangefinders. I'm also aware of what a Kestral is and what it does and how it works, but bring that around also.
As for the number of rounds shot and barrels burned up, that's actually meaningless as to this discussion. Fact is many average Joe shooters can become very competitive in a reasonably short period of time if he or she dedicates themselves to that. Number of rounds fired don't count, results count, and some will always be better at that than others, regardless of round count.
And the fact also is average Joe shooter is probably already good enough to shoot far better at long range than he realizes. And that statement alone is where much of the disagreement here stems from. Interpet that anyway you choose.
In summation ill just say this. If a person wants to go all out in an attempt to get the best information possible for dialing first round hits that's perfectly fine and why should it not be. But realize that you still wont always be making first round hits. And also realize regardless of what your being led to believe here, you could still make a very high percentage of them, even if you didn't have a Kestral and an iPhone with the latest program and for some of us, that's fine also. We have several iphones in our camp by the way, and I'm very familiar with them. They are fine if you have time, but don't count on that when hunting. What counts is score, or in this case dead animals.
Send one over there and have another in your hand ready as the empty case is coming out. You will likely have it on the ground before Dr Whozeewatzit over there gets his half arsed wind reading.
And it will be half arsed where I hunt, and you can take that fact to the bank and cash it.
Go to a 1000yd benchrest match and count the gadgets for determing shooting conditions. Then watch them shoot. Pretty much all those guys at least in PA also hunt long range. Ask them about that also.
ok Buck like lonewolf this will be my last reply to you because im tired of the NEVER ENDING argument with you about all of this.

first your the one that brought up cutting edge i just pointed out that your statement was wrong so you(like usual)start throwing out names and pointing out that their operation is in PA and just down the street from your camp and a lot of useless to the thread info that honestly i could careless about...the fact remains the BCs ARE listed and are very low for the price!
now you say the best way to find what bullet shoots best at 1500yds is to shoot them and i agree...but i can tell you before firing 1 round that a bullet with a .420BC is not going to preform as well as a bullet with a .620BC...and thats a fact!

i also find it funny you pulled the old card...thats a first! as far as killing an elk goes...im not a hunter and never will be unless the time comes that it would be the only way to feed my family but if the time ever comes anything inside 1000yds will be a 1 shot kill...this is where the fact that number of rounds and barrels does in fact mean something...do you think the guy that shoots a 1000 rounds in a life time is going to know his equipment as well as a guy that shoots 1000s of rounds a year? if you do thats funny and your wrong again!

you say "competitions where sighters aren't permitted is just plain dumb"? well every match i shoot starts off with a long distance cold bore shot...our varmint match is at 850yds at an anorexic coyote...our PRS match is different every time and most time you have to range the target with you reticle to get the distance...once again this is where barrels and rounds shot matters!

i will also point out the fact that there are outstanding shooters all over the world not just in PA like you like to imply...google it and see for yourself...if you spent a little time sending rounds down range instead of turning every thread posted into a hunting debate and arguing your right and everyone else is wrong you might not need to kill all those innocent rocks.

to the OP...sorry to clutter up your thread...and as has already been posted here your app is only as good as the info you enter into it...i use shooter and my drops are dead on and verified out to 1320yds...get your info entered as accurate as you can and then go out and true it up in the field.