Stopped in my local gun store today, don't get to go but about once a month. To my surprise seen my first 8# Varget. The Guy has been in bussiness a little over a year and doing a exellent job for hand loader's. He's starting to get all the primer's; BR and Match, all brand's, been wanting to try these for over a year now. Look's like I may quit having to pay shipping charge's ;D