I've played with them some. I was comparing them to Hornady 87gr v-max tipped bullets. I'm just shooting paper right now but will soon try them out on Pdog's. The 87's grouped better between 2900-3100fps using IMR4064. However I'm only talking about a .1-.2 difference @ 100 meters with no 85 group bigger than .8 in 5-10 mph wind. I'd have to say my average 5 shot group, if I discard the one flyer I always seem to have, is about a .6. Thats out of a 12 VLP with 26 inch barrel. I'm averaging about a .5 with the 87 Vmax bullets. The 87gr bullets do better in higher wind conditions too.
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