I found a Apex Storm XP 10/110 in .308 at the LGS on clearance for $499. I'm wanting to build a 6 GT and put in a chassis or would I be better off (cost effective) to buy a chassis rifle in 6 GT such as the Seekins Havak Pro ...i.e. ?
Never built anything in Savage so have a learning Curve..... I keep reading on the net that Savages have extraction/ejection issues and not sure if I'm missing something ??
Savage 57343 10/110 Apex Storm XP 243
The Seekins Havak is a custom that uses the better aspects from the Rem 700 like trigger fitment & the floating bolt head from Savage 110. But it uses also proprietary a barrel. (They claim open source for drop in, but try to find one). Also, the term “Prefit” or “drop in” along with shouldered barrels typically means a very high specification for Min/Max headspace. It’s done like an AR15 in that regard. As for the 110 Apex, the only set back is the bottom bolt release.(BBR) Although most of the Chassis are fit for it. I’ll say this, the Seekins will likely feed/eject the 6mmGT better from jump street. Although any problem of Feeding/Ejection with the Savage can be remedied rather easily. But at $2400 up front for the Seekins, the Savage build will ultimately be cheaper & can be more readily afforded-being stretched out.
In all it’s not a great comparison. If you want a ready to go, off the shelf rig.. and you like the Seekins, go for it. Personally I’m not a fan. There are several other rifles I would look at in that price range over the Seekins Havak. And going further, I would still build my own, even if I was doing a custom Action. Savage appeals to those who want an inexpensive off the shelf hunting rifle, or those who just like to build their own, work on their own rigs. And of course, some of us just have a long relationship with & enjoy Savage rifles & Actions.
I think that the Seekins Hit is the best deal out there- for what it offers at the price. The ones that I have seen have been amazing shooters-- and the people with them did have different barrels, but no idea how hard it was for them to get them. They have different packages- but they seem to go for closer to $2000.... and at that price I can't think of another switch barrel- well thought out chassis system (that takes multiple mag options) that would be better. They also have a great warranty and stand behind their products. BUT- you need to love it the way that it is..... because if you want to change it up then it is cheaper to build up something from the ground up the way you want it.
Hard to compare a van to a truck.... just different things.
Good information. Not really a van to truck comparison.......maybe a different make and model and/or trim levels. The way I look at things is it's a higher end production model, tighter tolerances, better QC and warranty.Originally Posted by Whynot
I just don't know the ends/outs of the Savage and trying to weigh my options.
This may have been covered but just what is it you want to do with this rifle you want to buy or build. Are we looking for something that fits every discipline or that fits a particular task. Specific tasks are often cheaper in the long run.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.
I'm not comparing them. I used the Havak Hit as an example. So let's hear the better options.
Only you can answer that. I said from my point of view. You may very well think it’s be best rifle out there. Which is why I also said if you like it & want a ready to go rig, grab it. But we aren’t here to discuss other rifles. I’m sure there is a forum dedicated to Seekins rifles that has all the information you could want.
Fair enough, you are correct and forgot to mention. Paper and shooting steel to 1000 yards. I'm also kicking around the idea of PRS matches.
FYI- My LGS just called and said he has a 110 Elite Precision in 6 CM that he could let go for 1550.00 out the door.
Start with something like a bighorn origin(or whatever you like), buy a good trigger a good recoil lug. Buy a good barrel in the cartridge you want. Put it in a stock like the Bravo(upgrade hen you want). Get a few mags and a decent used scope.(Right now is the best time in a while to buy a decent used scope.) My $.02
What part of Texas?
The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.
I recommend going with what YOU want. Not because anyone tells you. You are going to get several shooters telling you to get this or that Action. They told me for years as well(some of them even thinking they were telling me something I didn’t know! LOL!) No… don’t listen to what others THINK you should do! You see, I enjoy the Savage 110. And I spend a decent amount of money making my Savage 10 both run incredibly well and be very unique. Obviously I know a custom would perform better in the long run.(longevity that is.) But I don’t compete anyway. I shoot for me. Because I enjoy it. Although the hobby of firearms goes far beyond just shooting for me. In the end, any Action with a quality barrel & parts, using worked up reloads, is going to be very accurate. One Rig being several thousandths more accurate isn’t on my Radar because I’m honest with myself. Sure, I’m a quite capable shooter. Both Rifle & Pistol. I’d say I’m even quite good. I can hit a man sized target at very long distances. However, a teeny, tiny, group shooter, I am not. And a THOUSANDS of yards away, 1-mile, 2-mile and more… I am not. And don’t pretend to be. Too many shooters in Forums pretend to be something they aren’t. Any it’s not just the young guys either! I’ve caught more than one Storyteller of advanced years.
Keep doing what you’re doing… learning as much as you can. But in the end, go with your gut! As for the 110 Precision in 6CM you found. That’s a decent price for a great rifle. It’s using the best Action Savage makes; the Large Shank, small port style in Stainless. Decent price for a great rifle as long as you’re going to keep it 6mmCM for now. If you are planning to purchase just to replace the barrel to 6mm GT it’s a waste of money. Also, it’s only worth this if you really like that particular Chassis. I like another Chassis much more, so for me it would be wasteful. These are things only you know yourself.
I think that I might go to some PRS matches and see what's used most, even pick up the rules. Probably best to sit on it for a while before getting into something that I may or may not like. Never used an MDT chassis but do own a Sabor and XLR chassis systems which I prefer shooting prone, off of home made barricades, tripods and/or bipods.
Funny thing is that I'm a long-time hunter and got a couple places to hunt P-Dogs which is why we (wife and I) started shooting steel (to improve our shooting skills) between 600-1000 yards has become one of my favorite things to do a couple times a week.
I appreciate the input feedback.
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