Well, that was disappointing

[Mr.Snerdly]

Shot the 6.5 Creedmoor today that I got late yesterday. Groups from 1 1/2"-over 2". I am hoping it is the mounts being improperly torqued. I know what you are saying, I should have checked them first but I didn't. I really don't know what they were on the scope itself but it didn't take much effort at all. On the base mount I set the torque screwdriver on 5# and it removed them. It could have been maybe 3 or even 2#, who knows. I am mounting a higher quality scope, Loctiting the base screws to 20" # and the rings to 17. I hope this helps. This is factory ammo so that could be part of it too but not a great start.

[prdatr]

I'm sure that was a big part of the problem if not all of it.

[Dave Hoback]

Is it a combo rifle from Savage, or did you have someone else install the components. I stress to anyone purchasing a combo, or any rifle for that matter, check not only the Scope Base(s) & rings, but also the Action screws. Loosen & re-torque to proper specs. Loctite on base screws only. And if you don’t know how, LEARN!

Here are Action screw Torque specs. (Leave the rear a bit less)
https://service.savagearms.com/hc/en...action-screws-

[Mr.Snerdly]

Is it a combo rifle from Savage, or did you have someone else install the components. I stress to anyone purchasing a combo, or any rifle for that matter, check not only the Scope Base(s) & rings, but also the Action screws. Loosen & re-torque to proper specs. Loctite on base screws only. And if you don’t know how, LEARN!

Here are Action screw Torque specs. (Leave the rear a bit less)
https://service.savagearms.com/hc/en...action-screws-

Yes, it was a package gun. I should have known better but I wanted to try it out. I mounted a Bushnell 6-24 scope this morning, put blue Loctite on the base screws, 25 " # of torque, 35 on the rail mount, 17 on the rings. Waiting for the Loctite to dry, probably try it again tomorrow. I adjusted the trigger and torqued them to 40. The user manual said 40. I think the Axis has a different torque spec than the 110.

It's funny how they price things. $400 for the package gun, $400 for the same gun bare. I knew the scope wouldn't be great but I figured at the least I could use the base mount. Rings were too small for the Bushnell scope.

[charlie b]

I used the combo scope on my Axis for a couple of years. It was a cheap Bushnell 4-12. Plain duplex reticle but it seemed to track really well. Optical clarity wasn't the best but it worked. When I got a Vortex for it I gave the scope to a guy on the Cast Boolits forum. He's still using it 4 yrs later.

[Turkeytider]

Is it a combo rifle from Savage, or did you have someone else install the components. I stress to anyone purchasing a combo, or any rifle for that matter, check not only the Scope Base(s) & rings, but also the Action screws. Loosen & re-torque to proper specs. Loctite on base screws only. And if you don’t know how, LEARN!

Here are Action screw Torque specs. (Leave the rear a bit less)
https://service.savagearms.com/hc/en...action-screws-

Dave, do you recommend starting at the lower end of the ranges? Middle? In practicality, how much difference in performance should one expect with incremental changes between 30 and 35 ft/lbs? Both of my Savage rifles ( 223 which is a combo and a used17HMR with scope from Guns International ) arrived with mounted scopes. Both are sub-MOA capable at 100 yards, so I`ve left everything alone. What to look for if action screws or scope related screws loosen up?

[Dave Hoback]

Dave, do you recommend starting at the lower end of the ranges? Middle? In practicality, how much difference in performance should one expect with incremental changes between 30 and 35 ft/lbs? Both of my Savage rifles ( 223 which is a combo and a used17HMR with scope from Guns International ) arrived with mounted scopes. Both are sub-MOA capable at 100 yards, so I`ve left everything alone. What to look for if action screws or scope related screws loosen up?

I don’t. I’ve never really been one of the Action screw “tuners”, so to speak. Never really noticed any difference myself. I do leave the rear screw just a bit less. But I mean 5–10in.lbs. Even then, I haven’t noticed any difference. But, some people do. So they say. Honestly.. I think there is more difference in .2gr difference in charge weight when reloading, than with trying to tune Action Screw torque. I’m not a believer in the rifle having some perfect harmonics setting, where a couple Inch.Lbs. of torque will make a discernible difference. I’m a believer in creep. The screws should be as tight as possible without stressing either the Action or Stock.

But that’s just me. I would never tell someone NOT to test it themselves! No sir.. I am a fundamental believer in DIY research. Your results may vary from my own. And especially with such an easy set of parameters to test. Right?

[charlie b]

Just to make sure...it is not 30-35 FT-lb. In-lb Use a 'little' torque wrench, not the one you use on cars.

FWIW, the action torque tune only works if the action is properly bedded to start with. If not you will be chasing your tail.

With a bedded action and pillars I have not seen a difference with screw torque. I think it is very dependent on the stock you are using.

[Turkeytider]

I don’t. I’ve never really been one of the Action screw “tuners”, so to speak. Never really noticed any difference myself. I do leave the rear screw just a bit less. But I mean 5–10in.lbs. Even then, I haven’t noticed any difference. But, some people do. So they say. Honestly.. I think there is more difference in .2gr difference in charge weight when reloading, than with trying to tune Action Screw torque. I’m not a believer in the rifle having some perfect harmonics setting, where a couple Inch.Lbs. of torque will make a discernible difference. I’m a believer in creep. The screws should be as tight as possible without stressing either the Action or Stock.

But that’s just me. I would never tell someone NOT to test it themselves! No sir.. I am a fundamental believer in DIY research. Your results may vary from my own. And especially with such an easy set of parameters to test. Right?

Thanks Dave. And I meant in.lbs, not ft. lbs.

[deaddeerwalking]

Is it a new rifle? Remember you have to break the bore in. I would not look for accuracy until I had at least 50 rounds through it. Shot 2 clean the bore. Shoot 2 clean the bore. Shoot 5 clean the bore. Repeat 5 for 25 rounds then increase to 10 rounds until you get to 50 or 60 rounds through the bore. Now you can begin to look for accuracy.