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    There’s a cure for that. It’s called reloading. Once a person is serious about reloading, they don’t even think about factory ammunition.

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    Especially with the PRC and New Nosler stuff...checked on ammoseek and the range was from $65-90 for box of 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wbm View Post
    Especially with the PRC and New Nosler stuff...checked on ammoseek and the range was from $65-90 for box of 20.
    When I've found 6.5 PRC it was $45 at Academy, but that's been rare. Have never seen brass locally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hoback View Post
    There’s a cure for that. It’s called reloading. Once a person is serious about reloading, they don’t even think about factory ammunition.
    I'm a limited reloader. I only reload for 25-06 and 6mm Creed and my 'Wildcat'. Gonna have to get die sets for this 6.5 PRC as its now become unobtainium, and for 44 Spl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hoback View Post
    There’s a cure for that. It’s called reloading. Once a person is serious about reloading, they don’t even think about factory ammunition.
    No argument from me. Difficult for those trying to get established doing it now though.

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    Agreed. Just that these fellers just starting out need to know… that they DON’T know… yet. So be careful of flapping’ gums about how much better such & such new cartridge is. And remember I’m a fan of NEW. I’ve said it before. Everything today is better than yester-years tech.. steel, Aluminum, composites, automobiles, and yes.. FIREARMS! But shortening a case & adding a 30deg shoulder ain’t some new technology. But boy are the manufacturers selling it that way.

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    Here's my opinion on the limited research I've done:
    It's going to be tough to convince people to ditch the 7mm rem mag. The issue with the 7mm rem mag, like the 260, and the 300 win mag for that matter, is the twist rate the "classic" cartridges come in from factory rifles. I'm not saying the 300 win mag can't do well, but if you want to launch the heavier 30 cal pills, I'd recommend a 1.9" twist rate. The 260 twist rate that remington came out with in the 90s limited it to lighter varmint rounds, instead of the heavier, higher BC bullets that the creedmoor can take advantage of. Same thing with the 7mm rem mag

    The 7mm rem mag is generally, from the factory, intended to shoot 140-150gr pills. Can you get a barrel with the twist rate to shoot the 180gr berger hybrid? Sure thing, and with retumbo, mine can launch them at 2980 FPS. The other disadvantage, if you want to call it one, is the belt on the rem mag. It's easy enough to deal with using either high quality dies, or the larry willis collet die. The PRC doesn't have this.

    Will I switch to this new wonder cartridge. Nope. I don't want to deal with component availability issue, trying to get dies, and my greatest fear, that in 5-10 years, not being able to get the components at all.
    They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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    It's going to be tough to convince people to ditch the 7mm rem mag.
    +1

    Honestly with rampant inflation and a recession looming in the future I find myself wanting to say to the release of the 7MM PRC in the fall...."what are you thinking?"

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    It is hard to understand corporate thinking. We are in a huge shortage of ammo and they want to bring out another new cartridge? Heck, my brother-in-law did not have any ammo for his .30-30 to go hunting this fall. But, he could probably buy a new 7PRC and have ammo for it?

    Oh well. If you have a bunch of engineers sitting around they need to be doing something. :)

    And the issues Remington had with their 'new' cartridges noted above I think contributed to their demise. And they didn't do the slow twist thing once...they repeated the mistake several times. Just a reflection of either poor engineering or poor management. Either one of which dooms a company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie b View Post
    It is hard to understand corporate thinking. We are in a huge shortage of ammo and they want to bring out another new cartridge? Heck, my brother-in-law did not have any ammo for his .30-30 to go hunting this fall. But, he could probably buy a new 7PRC and have ammo for it?

    Oh well. If you have a bunch of engineers sitting around they need to be doing something. :)

    And the issues Remington had with their 'new' cartridges noted above I think contributed to their demise. And they didn't do the slow twist thing once...they repeated the mistake several times. Just a reflection of either poor engineering or poor management. Either one of which dooms a company.
    I have had a 6mm Rem for 25 years, as well as a 243 Win. Remington totally missed the mark by advertising it as a varmit round, and barreling their guns with a twist that could not stabilize the heavier bullets that the .243 was capable of. They overlooked the entire medium-sized big game consumer. Mine is a BRNO with a Wilson bull barrel with 1:9 twist, and smokes my custom mauser 243 in both fps and accuracy with the 95-100gr projectiles. I use it for woodchucks to whitetail.

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    7mmSS?
    or 7mm Sherman Max
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    or 7MM SST?

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