Factory loaded .308 match ammo for long range

[pdshooter2]

I'm sure we can count on you to set the story straight. Would you mind giving us the accurate story of the 118 match Load.

the most common issue is that the m118lr was developed for bolt guns..it was a top end load the was well past the m852 168 load of 2550 fps.
when the load was used in ar10's( yep they had so many armalite's you could not buy a mag in the usa for a while) and sr25's. there were no issues. when they reactivated m14's they started having issues in the summer heat. bent op rods. so instead of using the ammo where it was intended, they watered it down. first time. then they went over seas and played in the desert and again the m14 was the problem child...more bent op rods. again instead of using where intended, it was watered down again. each time it was watered down it lost some value, less velocity/less accuracy. in the end the politician approach was lets go make a nice generic load that works ok everywhere, rather than an excellent BOLT RIFLE sniper load. so now we have 175 that does a mere 2570 or so.....barely faster tan the 168 load.
while hard to get early data, shooters said it was close to 2700 fps with the 175. a hot load for sure.

[Tempest]

I mention this just for comparison sake not debate:

Looking at the above posted velocity for a 175 SMK and consider that for 1,000 yard competition. Most of us in FTR are shooting a 200g (with G1 .640 BC) around 2650-2,700 MV. We typically see 1,500 FPS at 1,000 yard target. A lot less elevation, time in the air and windage than a 175.

That was a good bullet for the time but ballistic technology has come a long way since then. To end on a positive note for the 175. They shoot absolutely fantastic at 600 yards and IMO will score just as well as a 200g with a good shooter in FTR .308 class.

[pdshooter2]

YOU have completely ignored that the m118lr IS NOT A COMPETITION ROUND.
it is a bulk loaded mil sniper round shot in a collection of rifles a lot less than a ftr rifle.
it actually EXCEEDS the mil requirement with recorded shots inxcess of 1500 yards

I mention this just for comparison sake not debate:

Looking at the above posted velocity for a 175 SMK and consider that for 1,000 yard competition. Most of us in FTR are shooting a 200g (with G1 .640 BC) around 2650-2,700 MV. We typically see 1,500 FPS at 1,000 yard target. A lot less elevation, time in the air and windage than a 175.

That was a good bullet for the time but ballistic technology has come a long way since then. To end on a positive note for the 175. They shoot absolutely fantastic at 600 yards and IMO will score just as well as a 200g with a good shooter in FTR .308 class.

[charlie b]

I don't think he's ignoring anything, just making a comparison. And a rather complimentary one at that.

[Blue Avenger]

3 pages of this BS
pack of preschoolers arguing over the best candy.
try a new topic that wasn't dead before it started.

[charlie b]

That sums up 99.9% of all forum posts.

And everyone believes they are the 0.1% exception.

[South Prairie jim]

Sounds about right, I try to stay with personal experience and leave the Banter and useless Blather to the internet expert.
sorry if I derailed the thread.

[jkv45]

3 pages of this BS
pack of preschoolers arguing over the best candy.
try a new topic that wasn't dead before it started.

Thank you so much for finally chiming in!

Sharing knowledge and helping answer (dumb) questions is what a good forum is all about.

This thread has gone off the rails a few times, but with opinions and advice from experienced members I was able to have a successful first 1000 yard outing.

Thanks for doing your part to make this a helpful and friendly forum!

[Blue Avenger]

no problem, happy the cat fight did not keep you from 1000yds.

[Tempest]

I don't think he's ignoring anything, just making a comparison. And a rather complimentary one at that.

Thanks, that was my intent.

[charlie b]

the most common issue is that the m118lr was developed for bolt guns..it was a top end load the was well past the m852 168 load of 2550 fps.
when the load was used in ar10's( yep they had so many armalite's you could not buy a mag in the usa for a while) and sr25's. there were no issues. when they reactivated m14's they started having issues in the summer heat. bent op rods. so instead of using the ammo where it was intended, they watered it down. first time. then they went over seas and played in the desert and again the m14 was the problem child...more bent op rods. again instead of using where intended, it was watered down again. each time it was watered down it lost some value, less velocity/less accuracy. in the end the politician approach was lets go make a nice generic load that works ok everywhere, rather than an excellent BOLT RIFLE sniper load. so now we have 175 that does a mere 2570 or so.....barely faster tan the 168 load.
while hard to get early data, shooters said it was close to 2700 fps with the 175. a hot load for sure.

Interesting. I didn't know the US ever fielded the AR10 in 7.62NATO, especially back during VN. Some foreign countries did. I'd be interested if there was a procurement at that time.