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    No one was being critical of Gary. Read my post again. My comment was in admiration of his skill. And continuing to compete with Savage rifles. It’s inspiring.

    But somehow I think you already knew what I meant & your post in fact had an ulterior motive.

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    I believe many people out there greatly overestimate their own prowess. Like the avid Golf player who spends several thousand $$ to have a set of custom clubs made fir their “club level” of play. Not going to improve their score, but sure makes ‘em feel better & look more legit.
    I agree. The internet is full of internet experts that pretend to be experts when actually, very little to none of their knowledge was earned but was plagiarized. What is wrong with people.
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    I agree. The internet is full of internet experts that pretend to be experts when actually, very little to none of their knowledge was earned but was plagiarized. What is wrong with people.
    Present company excluded, We hope ! LOL

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    WeeHooker, those of Us interested in the Elftmann Trigger are few out here. Please let Us know Your future results and if it meets Your expectations. I have never been able to get the Elftmann to bump fire, even with the spring and piston removed (not recommending this). It has shown to be very safe.

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    Same here.

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    Will do, Sir. Unfortunately, I have not made it to the range to test/shoot. However, the trigger does seem to be very consistent ( with spring change and set at 13 oz ). It also passes bump testing here just fine. As I think I eluded too in my last post, I suspect it will work fine for my informal bench shooting to 300 yds. I'm more disappointed in the failure of initial quality, customer service and the shoe design than actual function. I'll post back here after I get a chance to run it a bit. Tight groups!

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    Fuj, its always good to hear of Your shooting experiences and see the results of Your extensive talent. You and I are competing in different disciplines, but We both appreciate the need for an acceptable trigger, which is a very personal thing. I could make Myself use the Red Blade, but it would be difficult to get it out of My head that it’s really not what I want. Yes, bad conditions is a perfect example of where a good trigger is desirable. One way to approach it is, “pick” Your shots when the wind flags drop, which may only be for a couple of seconds, chamber the round, get on target, and touch it off without disturbing the rifle, before the cold, switching winds return and blow Your hat off. I think as simple as the Elftmann design is, they could provide the solution if they really tried. But when I spoke with them about what I was doing, they were very apprehensive. I guess that is understandable when You consider that it was the trigger that put remington out of business. I will continue the search, and appreciate any help along the way. Thanks for Your input.

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    WeeHooker, I suspect You may be the victim of post covid quality deterioration?? Seems nothing is as good as it was before covid. The only two things I can imagine could cause the condition You described, is the bearing or the condition of the sear blade. There could have been foreign material in the sealed bearing. This is a main feature of the trigger, and certainly should have been corrected when You sent it back, if it was the problem. But every Savage trigger I have seen needed the sear blade “honed”. They were all rough as a cob. Could be Your source of trouble? As simple as the Elftmann Trigger is, there isn’t much that can go wrong. Tight Groups To You Too !

    edit: as for the shoe design, I prefer to use the trigger without the use of the shoe at all. That’s a simple solution to that. But that’s just Me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrenGuy View Post
    Present company excluded, We hope ! LOL
    Obviously I was referring to myself!
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    I wish I could comment on the Elfman but I can't. I chased all the brands but this one,
    and put the stock red blade back in. I did keep the heavier Timney's for other projects.
    I guess maybe it's just that the stock trigger works so well for me in a heavy gun. I just
    wish I would have put that money elsewhere, but you never know till you try something.
    I did not post up the Pa, Tack Driver Lite match yet but of the 48 shooters, I was in the
    top 10 early on then the winds struck and struck hard. Two of my 5 relays were a complete
    disaster with shots in the 8 and 7 rings. Wind was some of the worst I've seen. I did manage
    a 28 out of 48.....First relay, I was shooting 7/8th" groups with that stock trigger in light wind.
    One thing about triggers.....Even a 2 ounce Jewel sucks in heavy wind !! Note.....2 of the
    range windsocks are rated for 17 mph. After the first relay, they were stretched straight out
    and switching directions frantically. The poles they were mounted on were leaning !!!!
    Keeping my bad Karma intact since 1952

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuj' View Post
    I wish I could comment on the Elfman but I can't. I chased all the brands but this one,
    and put the stock red blade back in. I did keep the heavier Timney's for other projects.
    I guess maybe it's just that the stock trigger works so well for me in a heavy gun. I just
    wish I would have put that money elsewhere, but you never know till you try something.
    I did not post up the Pa, Tack Driver Lite match yet but of the 48 shooters, I was in the
    top 10 early on then the winds struck and struck hard. Two of my 5 relays were a complete
    disaster with shots in the 8 and 7 rings. Wind was some of the worst I've seen. I did manage
    a 28 out of 48.....First relay, I was shooting 7/8th" groups with that stock trigger in light wind.
    One thing about triggers.....Even a 2 ounce Jewel sucks in heavy wind !! Note.....2 of the
    range windsocks are rated for 17 mph. After the first relay, they were stretched straight out
    and switching directions frantically. The poles they were mounted on were leaning !!!!
    Was waiting to hear about that Fuj’. Wow..Brutal wind. And, yeah, the wind doesn’t care WHAT trigger is used; it really does make things a game of “chance” over skill. Still, sounds like you did well all things considered. More importantly, did you enjoy yourself regardless? I couldn’t agree more with your sentiment on aftermarket triggers. Luckily, because trigger setup was the first thing I learned over 2 decades ago, the attitude of modify over buy really stuck with me. So I at least haven’t wasted money chasing the “perfect” aftermarket trigger. Instead, I’ve wasted that money on other items, LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hoback View Post
    More importantly, did you enjoy yourself regardless?
    Mixed feelings on it. I shot my short game rifle that I did not intend to. The SA284 wildcat
    I had planned on is still not finished, and was being built for this particular match, knowing
    that the conditions at this particular range can get rough. It's kinda like bowling with a 16lb.
    ball to knock the pins down, but tournament day comes and there is only a 12 lb, ball to work
    with. It is what it is and ya' gotta' keep steppin'.....
    Keeping my bad Karma intact since 1952

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