Rifle barrel change

[Robinhood]

none of these are better than 308 win period.
none are valid accurate 1000 yard rounds tho 308 is shot at 1000.( loooong bbls like 30-34")
while longer shots have been made, the mil considers the 308 with a 175 an 800 yard round and super sonic to 1000.

I have never seen a 308 in Fclass. Don't see it in benchrest either. The fact that the 308 cant compete with any Fclass cartridge and that the 6.5 Creedmoor is way more popular than the 308 in PRS Like 100 to zero says you are illinformed. You competed against a Creedmoor at 2000 on your way to the two man world champion title contest. You were not using your 308.

[mikeinco]

very selective discussion
PALMA is ONLY 308, 800.900.1000 yards the adult version of f class.
the 600 yard small group in benchrest was held by a 308 win until last year when it was beat by a dasher clone.
the creedmore i shot against in the 2000 yard match was a 6 creed...and had zero luck at 2000.
prs is not an ACCURACY game unlike benchrest and f class.
its not hard to produce negative results with selective use of data, but someone may actually know
the real story and post it.
he never said he wanted to shoot fclass
he never said he wanted to shoot 2000 yards
he never said he wanted to shoot prs,
glad you were able to stay on topic

I have never seen a 308 in Fclass. Don't see it in benchrest either. The fact that the 308 cant compete with any Fclass cartridge and that the 6.5 Creedmoor is way more popular than the 308 in PRS Like 100 to zero says you are illinformed. You competed against a Creedmoor at 2000 on your way to the two man world champion title contest. You were not using your 308.

[Robinhood]

very selective discussion
PALMA is ONLY 308, 800.900.1000 yards the adult version of f class.
the 600 yard small group in benchrest was held by a 308 win until last year when it was beat by a dasher clone.
the creedmore i shot against in the 2000 yard match was a 6 creed...and had zero luck at 2000.
prs is not an ACCURACY game unlike benchrest and f class.
its not hard to produce negative results with selective use of data, but someone may actually know
the real story and post it.
he never said he wanted to shoot fclass
he never said he wanted to shoot 2000 yards
he never said he wanted to shoot prs,
glad you were able to stay on topic

You stated this...

none of these are better than 308 win period.

I disagree. Your statement will only hold up in Palma and FTR where it has zero competition with the Creedmoor or the 7mm-08 or anything else for that matter. The 6.5 Creedmoor will dominate the 308 in straight up competition to 400 to 1200 yards in the hands of the average guy and the hands of the professional as will the 7mm08.

Mike, with all do respect, Ill will stay on topic when you stop making outlandish claims.

Fuj,
Now you are crawling in my space!

With this good piece of advice and covering more bases.....The .284 Winchester.
with a 8.5 twist barrel.

But I have used the lesser 7mm08 for some amazing groups using 175's and 163's.

[Fuj']

Fuj,
Now you are crawling in my space!

But I have used the lesser 7mm08 for some amazing groups using 175's and 163's.

And why I developed the SA284. That shortened .284 has the same
overall length as the 7/08, and the ability to use 3 more grains of
powder. In my long throated test barrel. I'm currently working with the
183 pointed Sierras. With Ramshot Hunter, I'ts doing better then the
180 bergers. and I'm only using a 26 inch, 8.7 twister. Next barrel will
be a 29" (finished) and 8.5 twist. Plan is to hang out around the 2800
range and shoot bug holes at 300. Mid South shooters is shipping me
1000 of the Sierras, I like them that much with this wild cat. Maybe
prime time this coming season. 1000 yard Ridge was canceled this past
year because of Covid.

As for the 6.5 Creedmoor versus the .308 ?? Yeah there's no debate there.
Sure impressed our armed forces to proceed chambering the cartridge.
I no longer shoot one. I got bored with it.....

[mikeinco]

if you really want to shoot bug holes at long range get away from production bullets.
they all loose precision the further you shoot.
i would recommend a true custom bullet, with a berger as a first alternate.

And why I developed the SA284. That shortened .284 has the same
overall length as the 7/08, and the ability to use 3 more grains of
powder. In my long throated test barrel. I'm currently working with the
183 pointed Sierras. With Ramshot Hunter, I'ts doing better then the
180 bergers. and I'm only using a 26 inch, 8.7 twister. Next barrel will
be a 29" (finished) and 8.5 twist. Plan is to hang out around the 2800
range and shoot bug holes at 300. Mid South shooters is shipping me
1000 of the Sierras, I like them that much with this wild cat. Maybe
prime time this coming season. 1000 yard Ridge was canceled this past
year because of Covid.

As for the 6.5 Creedmoor versus the .308 ?? Yeah there's no debate there.
Sure impressed our armed forces to proceed chambering the cartridge.
I no longer shoot one. I got bored with it.....

[Fuj']

if you really want to shoot bug holes at long range get away from production bullets.
they all loose precision the further you shoot.
i would recommend a true custom bullet, with a berger as a first alternate.

!:

[yobuck]

if you really want to shoot bug holes at long range get away from production bullets.
they all loose precision the further you shoot.
i would recommend a true custom bullet, with a berger as a first alternate.

This would certainly appear to be true in long range benchrest.
But then at least as for the heavy gun 10 shot record, the bug hole hasent moved in close to 10 years.
Im not certain of the bullet used for that now old bughole, but im also not so sure it was a custom.
300 WSM yes but again dont remember the bullet used.

[mikeinco]

at least one more reason some people are ignored
"But then at least as for the heavy gun 10 shot record, the bug hole hasent moved in close to 10 years."

current record and DATE
Tim Height
3.650 – 10/13/2019

[Fuj']

This would certainly appear to be true in long range benchrest.
But then at least as for the heavy gun 10 shot record, the bug hole hasent moved in close to 10 years.
Im not certain of the bullet used for that now old bughole, but im also not so sure it was a custom.
300 WSM yes but again dont remember the bullet used.

Yobuck.....You may be referring to Matt Kline's record shoot at Willamsport
10 years ago. Yes it was as WSM . Used the Berger 210 VLD in heavy gun.
2.815 for the 10 shots.....Still to be beat but, them New Hornady's sitting
on top the Sherman will be knocking on the door.

Wilson holds the 1000 yard 5 shot light gun record at 1.068 / 50-5x / 6braw,
103gr Vapor Trails.

[Robinhood]

if you really want to shoot bug holes at long range get away from production bullets.
they all loose precision the further you shoot.
i would recommend a true custom bullet, with a berger as a first alternate.

Mike, Will you please stay on topic.

[mikeinco]

nice try
but since 7mms were brought up as an option, i am on topic.
you will have to ask fuj if he is on topic.

Mike, Will you please stay on topic.