64F Jamming

[bolt223]

Hello,
I bought a Savage 64 F about four months ago and it has a problem. When I use hollow point ammo they jam up against the bottom back edge of the barrel. This happened the first time I went to shoot at the range. I had a box of hollow points and a box of round points. The round points shot fine. I bought a 500 round box of round points and have been shooting only them for the past few months. This week since I was running out of them I bought some more hollow points. Almost every one of them jammed, of the 30 I tried. I had some of the round tips left and tried ten of them, the shot fine. I didn't realize until after I cleaned the gun and was trying both types of ammo what the problem is. My gun doesn't like hollow point ammo. The reason is that the flat tip of the rounds hit the flat part of the barrel just above the magazine housing. I see there is an angled "guide" at the top of the housing. It isn't up high enough to keep the hollow points from hitting the edge of the barrel and stopping. I watched both the hollow points and the round points as I cycled them through. The round points slide up over and past the flat end of the barrel because they aren't flat, they're round.

So I was wondering if any one here has had the same problem and how they were able to solve it. I don't know that the brand of ammo matters, I think it's just whether or not they are hollow points or round points.

Thanks

[Wolf]

Don't use hollow points they work in my gun everything works in my gun. I have an MK3 CCI standard velocity works well Aguila standard velocity jams

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[Fasteddie01]

Hi Bolt - Welcome to the 'wonderful world of 64s' I too had that problem when I got my 64, and found lots of threads about maintenance and mods for it. Ther main solution is to 'polish' the feed ramps on both the magazine and the chamber ramp. Here is one thread : " https://www.savageshooters.com/showt...ng-First-Round " - Just don't go overboard with 'sanding' - polishing is better, if slower, in my opinion. You can also find info on Youtube . And I have several threads about mods I've done if you search under my Username.

There are 'years worth' of threads on 64s in Archives, which you can find by following the instructions the moderator sent me last year
Good luck with your 'new project' ;-) - Ed

- " ... you can still easily pull up every single thread in the Rimfire board pertaining to the Model 64 with the search function.
- Go into the rimfire board
- Click on "Search Forum" at the top right just above the list of threads (in light grey bar)
- Click on Advanced Search
- In the Advanced Search, ( under 'Search single content type' - ed ) go down to the "Additional Options" area
- In the "Search in Forums" list, make sure the "Savage and Stevens Rimfire Rifles" is highlighted
- In the "Search by Prefix" list, make sure "62/64 Series" is highlighted
- Click the "Search Now" button at the bottom of that area "

[bolt223]

Thanks Fasteddie, looks like I'll be busy.

[bolt223]

I contacted Savage and they replied saying that the 64 f doesn't like most hollow points, that the gun was designed to shoot 40 grain round nose ammo.

[Fasteddie01]

Hi Bolt223 - I also can shoot all of the hollow points I have tried. CCI-MM 36g HP; Fed 36g HP; Herter 38g HP. Have you tried 'polishing' the feed ramp on both the magazine and the magazine 'well' ?? The inside edge of the mag is the critical one - you want to 'increase' slightly the angle of the bullet insertion. You can see this edge 'polishing' below. This mag has been thru a lot of changes and still works very well. hundreds of rounds thru it, too. The JB weld on the side helps hold the mag in at a proper angle, too. Another thing that may be causing your problem is the back 'ears' (sides) of the mags can become worn (not enough 'drag' on the back of the shell) OR bent 'in' too far. The mags being some sort of 'pot metal' makes them susceptible to lots of wear OR bending. I have a thread about these problems - https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum....php?t=1139263

Hope some of this helps you. Savage tells everyone that HPs don't work well, but I have 3 brand new mags that feed them perfectly !!
Ed

[river251]

Hi Bolt - Welcome to the 'wonderful world of 64s' I too had that problem when I got my 64, and found lots of threads about maintenance and mods for it. Ther main solution is to 'polish' the feed ramps on both the magazine and the chamber ramp. Here is one thread : " https://www.savageshooters.com/showt...ng-First-Round " - Just don't go overboard with 'sanding' - polishing is better, if slower, in my opinion. You can also find info on Youtube . And I have several threads about mods I've done if you search under my Username.

I didn't find any solutions on that webiste...

[Fasteddie01]

Hi river251 - The first thing to try is to 'polish' the feed ramps of both the magazine and the chamber (as stated in that thread - Post #5). I also have a post with details on magazine 'fixes', since the 'pot metal' mags wear and also can get 'bent' to be too tight to allow proper feed. ( https://www.savageshooters.com/showt...t-and-accuracy ) It's a fine balance to reach, but my post gives measurements of both my 'old mags' and some brand new ones for comparison. ( I have 3-old and 3-new ) After adjusting the old ones to the 'new' specs, they work just fine. Only one gives probs, since I cut ONE loop (early on)of the spring, to allow easier loading. That isn't a good idea
I have a few other posts regarding mods and 'fixes' if you care to look them up, too. There's a lot that can be done for NO COST, just time and thought.
Ed

[bolt223]

Fasteddie01,

I was looking at my rifle with the Herter's target hollow point ammo that I have. I put five rounds in the mag and as I cycled them in the gun I pushed the bottom back of the mag forward to see if it changed the angle of the mag feed ramp. It did. It caused the rounds to bounce up to the top of the chamber missing the barrel. So I can get the two extremes with the rounds, jammed against the bottom of the barrel just above the mag well ramp and all the way to the top of the chamber. So now I have to work on the mag and the mag well ramp to get the angle just right.
I ordered a new magazine for it. I am going to cycle some hollow point rounds through it first. If they don't jam I will use it for the hollow point rounds and the original magazine for the round nose. If it also jams I will work on the original mag until I get it to shoot hollow points.
The Herter's targets I have tried almost work. I think it will take a little bet of tweaking to get them to work.
By the way, what do you use to polish the mag, super fine sand paper, steel wool?