Shot some groups with the 75gr ELD in .223 So to get them .030 off the lands I had to load them way long at 2.480" for a Wylde chamber. I didn't realize it at the time but they were so long they would not fit in the 12FVs blind magazine...oops. Ended up having to feed them by hand and had 2 groups shoot 1/2 moa. So I guess they can be loaded long as well? Although I am obviously going back to the drawing board to see how short I need to make them for the magazine.