Yeah I've been looking at the Lyman, on a fixed income I can't afford a Hawkeye. So now I'm saving up the cash to get a Lyman. Grafs is just 90 minutes away from me so I'll go pick it up from them when the bucks are available. I do appreciate the critiques, I am wanting to check for build up. (Copper, leading etc.) Still plan to get the Lyman.