All I know is the 25-06 with 87 gr Noslers will punt a fat old groundhog about 10 feet in the air when hit in the boiler room, and that I have a .250 Savage that I'm still waiting to put the first round through once Fred gets it punched out to 250 AI. Last but not least....I still want a lever action in .25-35 Win. just because I have a lever gun addiction and like quarter-bores.