Quote Originally Posted by RC20 View Post
I do want to note, if you really get a barrel clean, even a good smooth one like Shilen or my current factory Loather Walther (smoother than Shilen regulars) takes a bit of work. About 5 cycles of a brass/nylon brush and follow up with a patch run through. That's warm on the bench, more so at home. That with a very focused modern non brute force type Carbon cleaner (the old stuff even with brute force is not as good)

As rough as it was the Savages I shot for a while layered a bit of copper in the roughest places and stopped.

The key was never let the carbon build up and then layer copper over the carbon. You then get multiple layers you are trying to break through and that requires a series of Bore Tech eliminator/Carbon Killer (or equivalent )

And even supposedly good Aftermarket can be not that great. I was not impressed with the interior of the X caliber. About half way in between Shilen and Savage. That XC barrel at least showed minimum lapping work.

It also take more work to clean than Shilen or Lothar Walther (less if I do it at the range warm)

As I have the Lyman Boroscope I can see the barrel condition as well as how well the cleanup is working.

I have seen the Hammer forged, they are smooth, doesn't give you a good shooter though (it can, CZ hammers their and then does a final lap out finish that works, they also let them rust to assist in the process). Its more time than US makers go through (hammering is a serious stress inducer)
Oh heck, I know... when I was going through breaking in my savage barrel it took ungodly amount of elbow grease, all in all I went through over 500 patches that day, I cut patches my self so they were not those tiny scrappy ones buy again for me it was really rewarding putting all the effort in and now I have a very easy to clean smooth bore and a sub MOA rifle... I get alot of people don't want to put that much time into it but I enjoy it... it feels rewarding

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