A good vid all around but listen closely starting around 11:45 for a clue of how a national team shooter thinks regarding accuracy and consistency of powder charge weight.
A good vid all around but listen closely starting around 11:45 for a clue of how a national team shooter thinks regarding accuracy and consistency of powder charge weight.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.
Yobuck is a f in idiot
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
Definitely appreciate every word of advice you Fellers have shared. To be honest I'm liking that I can get by with the spoons, a trickler and a cheap scale. It doesn't sound like not having a high end scale is going to prevent me from reaching my goal..which is accuracy without dropping $100 on a scale or $300 on a dispensor. There's little doubt I WIlL not be able to resist the urge to upgrade I'm te. Especially for a dispensor I can rely on the automatically throw the exact amount of powder I want and not have to worry it its what it was supposed to be. But I don't plan to shoot competitions other than for braggin rights and ammo bets lol I also doubt I shoot well enough that a grains difference will cost me a shot. I hunt and target shoot for fun. Thanks for letting me know the dispensor that comes with a Lee kit isn't gonna give the results I want so I don't waste money buying one. If it comes with the kit so be it but if I can get by getting components I won't get it. BTW, is there a section on here for being used equipment?
A balance beam requires a little care to maintain consistency and accuracy. Follow those guidelines and you will do great.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.
Yobuck is a f in idiot
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
Thanks XL105
Yobuck is a f in idiot
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
Oh yeah, thanks for sharing which ones are good especially which disprnsors are reliable enough to set it and not really have to weigh it to make sure its dead on. If I wasn't using a stupid cell i d be able to throw a shout out to the one who shared that... I do hope to be able to shoot on your levels one day and it would be cool to have the experience to notice the effects of not using equipment that costs more than what I drive lol
The Lee dispenser is absolutely fine,, the problems come from the type of powder being used. Stick powder will not generally meter as well as a ball type powder. Ball powder is finer and will be more consistent. Stick powders like Varget and 4064 just through your charge a little low on the scale pan, place pan on the scale then trickle to where you want it.
There really is an excuse for everything!
Or if its a little heavy just dampen the end of a finger and take some back out?Originally Posted by DanSavage
I use the snort trap,, you put a little screen in your nostril and use the straw that comes in the kit and snort a kernal or two out if necessary.
There really is an excuse for everything!
Yobuck is a f in idiot
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
As did all of us, but now the question becomes, did the answers answer the op's question?
Did the poor quality video answer his question? Did the poor quality video really answer (any) questions? lol
yobuck. I posted the vid. It was in response to the "precisely weighed powder charges are not important" mentality. Not necessarily and exact answer to the OP's question. However, as you know, one simple question turns into a plethora of questions when you get responses from the variety of posters you find on this forum.
Since many can claim to be an authority, sometimes we simply let the professionals speak. Nothing is incontrovertible but success adds legitimacy to the argument. Therefore; A good balance beam scale like and RCBS or any Ohaus manufactured scale can be the foundation of great reloads if it is good condition and has not been abused. Not a lot of money but with proper understanding and care it will do the job.
The Poster did not ask how he could become the best shooter with expensive or cheap equipment. With this brand or that brand equipment. He asked "which scale do you use"? He received several replies and several people decided to muddy the waters. Sometime you need to add a weir to remove the turbidity.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.
Yobuck is a f in idiot
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
While those two old goats fight it outI'm using the new old stock 505 I tuned last year after my son "permanently" borrowed my old tuned D5!
It doesn't drift, doesn't need a power source, doesn't need warmed up an hour before use and its as accurate /repeatable/consistent as a Rolex or a cheap Timex. I do have two digital scales, a RCBS and a Gem Pro 250 but seldom use them.
Bill
Each morning eat a live green toad, it will be the worst thing you'll have face all day.
While those two old goats fight it out
It doesn't drift, doesn't need a power source, doesn't need warmed up an hour before use and its as accurate /repeatable/consistent as a Rolex or a cheap Timex. I do have two digital scales, a RCBS and a Gem Pro 250 but seldom use them.
Bill
Biil,
Can you elaborate on how you tune your 505 scale. I have a 10-10 and seems it doesn't always settle consistently.
Ron
The 10-10 is a repackaged 5-10. There are a couple things to to look at.
1. The Vee shafts on center balance must be clean and sharp.They're best cleaned-LIGHTLY sharpened using a stone and a magnifying glass. If they're pitted or beat up either replace the shaft or get a new beam.
2. The agate blocks(bearings) each rest on a rounded top 'dimple' in their towers. The tops are usually painted the scale color. The paint should be removed and the top polished like a mirror so the blocks can move freely and align to each other.
Which bring us to the pan support hanger, it's shafts and the support itself. They're as if not more important than balance shafts and blocks.
The pan support hanger vee shafts should be sharp, the hanger end loops must be parallel to the beam with minimum outside to outside clearance on the end of shaft nubs. The center of the end loop must be centered on the center of the beam. The 'hook' on the pan support should be clean and polished. A pan that seems to oscillate next to forever is a very good thing!
Just a important keep the scale covered and clean the bearings, vee shafts and pan hanger support occasionally. I use rubbing alcohol and a Q-Tip.
There are a few other things to look at and or do and correct but with those I those I mentioned your 10-10 should react to one kernel of extruded powder,~.02 gr and be repeatable across its entire weight range.
Bill
Each morning eat a live green toad, it will be the worst thing you'll have face all day.
Your fine XL 105,, accurate scales is a good thing,, especially if your going to get into the long range game, every bit helps.
There really is an excuse for everything!
Lol my question was answered and thanks to all who took time to help a brother out. I know better equipment will not make me a better shooter but also understand the importance of consistency, and how better equipment provide that. I'm a big fan of Yobucks practical approaches and easy to understand verbage. Also all the little tips Bill and others that shared..sorry if I missed any names..like I said..this tiny screen makes it hard to everyone. Xl105,, thanks for the vids and your information. I know I will need to know more. Big DanSavage also uses practical approaches like Yobucks..that's the stuff that's easy to remember for a rookie like me lol but seriously, I appreciate all the tips and low downs on products. I hate buying something trying to pinch a PENNY and end up spending twice as much having to replace it with a good product. I wouldn't have known about the issues with digiscales. And it's also good to know the Lee disprnsors isn't garbage. Nice to meet all of you and hope I don't annoy any of you with my questions, cause Lawd knows there will be more bahahah
Heck, I've been using an RCBS 505 for 38+ years. It's reliable & magnetically dampened.
I use it to validate my powder measure, the old school RCBS measure, also 38+ years old, and my Dillon and Lee measures.
The volume measures are great with ball powder, but when it comes to extruded powder (4064, 3031, Varget) I use the RCBS since it'll "chop" the powder grains.
Even cutting the grains, I've never seen more than 1/10th of a grain in variation.
It's all in a consistent motion.
:-)
Last edited by orcldba; 02-04-2016 at 08:50 PM. Reason: Missed a work
well I have an old scott parker tuned ohaus 10-10, a chargemaster, 2 gempro 250's and a ohaus yj102
I also have a lee perfect powder measure and a Harrell precision BR powder measure
what I do for long range stuff is throw charges, weigh and trickle (I have the omega electronic trickler) on one gempro and then check the weight on the second gempro. If they agree I feel the load is accurate. I can do this faster than my chargemaster and know it is much more accurate.
hunting and other range ammo I set the powder measure up with the gempro and throw charges. This is the fastest method.
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