I'll give some a try. I started with the 180s 'cuz i had a couple hundred laying around. Only got like 70 or so left, so when they are gone I'll give some 165's a try. Are you guys find better luck with boattails or flat-backed bullets? Just FYI, I am wanting to stay with a hunting bullet as this gun's main purpose is a 100 - 200yd deer gun. I am also thinking about a Stocky's laminate thumbhole for this gun. Any thoughts?