I posted this somewhere else on the forum--I just got a new 270--and even though I hand-load I bought a bunch of off-the-shelf factory stuff just for harvesting brass and seeing what they could do. I almost never buy Winchester factory ammo--except their shotshells--but just for the heck of it I bought a box of their powermax bonded in 270. I was blown away by how well they shot--they pasted every other cartridge I bought including several mentioned here already. It looks like a very well designed bullet the "protected hollow-point" looks like a berger from outward appearances. I haven't hunted with them--at least not yet.