Reply With QuoteWhat cartridge, The Hodgdon reloading data page has some for 243, 22-250, 280, 30-06, 300WSM plus a couple of others that I saw.
I was at my local shop and they didnt have the powder I was looking for but did have the hornady superformance made by hodgdon. When I bought ammo I bought hornady 180gr superformance so if I could get around the same numbers from reloaded ammo it would be great. However I can't find any reloading data. I was going to order hornady's manual but read it didn't have any info on the powder. Also looked on hodgdons website and couldn't find anything. I'm shooting 300 win mag btw
What cartridge, The Hodgdon reloading data page has some for 243, 22-250, 280, 30-06, 300WSM plus a couple of others that I saw.
180gr 300 win mag
this is all there is
http://hodgdon.com/PDF/SuperLever.pdf
Ask them Hodgdon 913-362-9455
How much difference between the win mag and short mag
I was asking more about if the data was interchangeable at all. I know its prooly a dumb question but I'm new to this
Most factory loads use proprietary powder blends that aren't available to us mere mortals. This is why it's typically impossible to match today's top factory ammo velocities with handloads. You can get close, say within 150-200fps or so, but generally that's about it unless you're really pushing the pressure envelope.
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Tim, the Superformance powder that is used for the 300 Mag is a DIFFERENT Superformance powder than the one used for the 300 Short Mag. Yes.....it's true. That's why when you go to the referenced reloading site, you will ONLY see the Superformance reloading data for the 300 short mag. You will not see it for the 300 mag.
And Hodgdon nor Hornady will provide you with any data. Well, you can't buy the Superformance powder they use in your factory 300 mag anyway....so it's a moot point.
So....don't buy any Superformance powder to reload your 300 mag. Because you can't use it anyway.
Dave
No, you can't interchange the data between 300WM and 300WSM. Not a safe practice at all.Originally Posted by *tim*
One time though I wanted to use a 154gr RN in my 7mm RM with IMR4350 and couldn't find the data for it, so I emailed Hornady. Two days later they sent me the load data for it. Min and max. You MIGHT be able to get load data from your bullets manufacture....maybe. It doesn't hurt to try any way. Worst case, you're right where you are now with no load data for Superperformance in the 300WM.
I contacted Hornady and the warned me against using Superformance factory loads in my Savage saying that they were not strong enough, but to contact Savage and ask them. So then I contacted Savage and they saix that they do not recommend superformance factory loads in their guns.
Bummer! That's a bit scary!
I'm shooting a Sav. Striker 516 ss .308win. But they didn't specify striker they said their guns.
Rupe
Superformance is about all I've shot out of my savage
Ya it was kind of..strange. This was with the 168 gr .gmx bullet but I didn't tell them that. They just recommended not to shoot them sue to pressures. So both companys said not to. They recommended the amax or the Tap rounds. Now why would I use a self self defense bullet for hunting? I would.think that if your not seeing signs of high pressure what the.heck??
Rupe
The whole idea of the factory Superformance powder was to achieve 150fps faster velocities than standard powders, yet not increase pressures over the maximum SAMI standards now established. So, if you shoot factory ammo now, then you can certainly shoot factory Superformance factory ammo.
However, if you handload you can handload the Superformance powders ONLY in those calibers that Hodgdon has listed as those specific calibers will remain at or below the SAMI pressures IF YOU USE THE LOAD DATA PROVIDED BY HODGDON. If you use Superformance powder for any other cartridge…..then your on your own.
Dave
That would have been nice if they had past on that bit of info. to me. But like I said that's what both companies said. I'm just passing on info. I got from them. I didn't ask about their powder other then who was handling to for the buyers.
Rupe
Like I said Strange! It must be a totally different thing when using theeir powder vs. using their factory loads. .
Rupe
Your highly calibrated brass cases and primers "not showing pressure signs" isn't saying much. Sticky bolts, etc; the "Classic" pressure signs typically show-up near most brasses tensil strength rating.... Meaning approaching 70,000psi.
Superformance powder that you may buy, is not what is used in the superformance ammo.
I'm a firm believer in the theory that if it bleeds, I can kill it.
Well….I'm kind of perplexed that Savage would tell you not to use the Superformance factory loads in their firearms. I mean….if a modern day Savage isn't up to SAMI specs for pressure….then what pressure limits can they take?
That statement they made to you makes no sense to me. I'm not saying they didn't make that statement to you….I'm just saying it doesn't make any sense at all.
And if this were the case, and the Hornady Superformance factory ammo were somehow dangerous in a Savage rifle, then why wouldn't this information be on their web site and advertised by Savage?
Dave
Of course…..maybe it's because their "Partners" as listed on their web site are "Alliant Powders" and "Federal Premium" ammo…..and not Hodgdon powders nor Hornady ammo.
Maybe marketing? Ya think?
I'm holding a can of superformance powder in my hand as I write this. The thing the jumps out to me is that the intended calibers/use is for extreme high-velocity loads. I would hazard a guess it has not so much to do with "appropriateness of SAAMI pressures" as it is the design of the cartridge/weapon. My guess is if your weapon isn't designed to push routinely at 3400 or better this is not the powder for it.
I've shot gobs of superformance Hornady 308 ammo--so I'm also hazarding a guess that hornady has it's own special formalization that enables them to get stability for better performance across more calibers than a reloader could--but that's purely an uneducated guess.
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Myself, I bought a pound of the Superformance powder simply because of the powder shortage and my need for MORE POWDER. Honestly, I was less than impressed with the results on my larger caliber (300WSM). Doesn't mean it's a bad powder, my .243 loves it. If only I could find my beloved H4350 powder!
Once Elk season is over I think I will call both companys and see what they say in a person to person instead of emails. Plus I can ask them other or more questions and to explain it to me because I'm and Old fart and I'm just not grasping the "What the heck are you saying?" Are you saying my beloved Striker andall Savages are not strong enough or what?" Maybe I can get to the bottom of this if talking over the phone. I will get back to you all after elk season.
Rupe
I too have an 8# keg of Superformance and could find little to NO data for it. So, I called Hornady and received a less than warm response concerning the requested info. I then called Hogdon and asked them. The tech said " Hornady uses several different BLENDS of powder to get the velocities advertised and SuperF has a very limited use caliber range". Hogdon did not recommend the use of SuperF in my .270 which is loaded and sold by Hornady. I checked the Hornady manual and some Hogdon data that I have from them and found one place were SuperF was used, 30-06 165's. One would think that most bullet companies would test all powders for their bullets just to tell folks not to use it. I called Nosler. They were very cooperative and said we do not recommend the use of SuperF and Hornady uses blends of powder. So I reckon I have a keg of powder to collect dust.
Don't feel bad--I have a keg collecting dust too. I think they simply got the rights to use Hornady's trademark on over-production powder which was released to the public though basically useless unless you are willing to boldly go where no load information has been before.
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Glad to hear others got the same reponse I got. Why would they make a powder and loaded ammo that very very few can shot? Makes no sense from a from a money making product. Thousands of pounds of powder and only a few calibers and guns can shoot.
Nosler not recommeding it and they build custom rifled that.should be.stronger then of the.rack rifles. Well I am striking that powder off my list of powders to try
Sorry you guys are stuck with.a keg of it.
Rupe
They put a slick label on it and release tons during the shortage--bet lots of money was made. That's how I bought it. : ) When I read "limited use" it translates to me "high risk."
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