Well fellas its looking grim at this point on factory offerings here In Tyler ! Federal 85grn trophy copper fired ten rounds 3---3 shot sets and had a 2in flyer in each one! Two almost touching and a two inch flyer! Hornady 100grn soft point same thing ! Winchester 100grn hp ill know more after the barrel cools a bit... Discouraging to think the old "j" series barrel I replaced is shooting waaay better then this criterion !