is it true what they say about groups...?

[kevin_stevens]

Tell you what. Set up a target at 100 yds and another at 200 yds directly behind it. Shoot as many groups as you like, with a witness. I have $1000 for you if you show a 200 yd group tighter than the corresponding 100 yd.

KeS

[kevin_stevens]

This is where the cornfusion is happening. Not TIGHTER groups... simply tighter MOA. For example... 1" at a 100yd versus 1.5" at 200yd. Bigger group, but smaller MOA.

This is why I say we need to be careful what is being said and interpreted.

I'm not confused about anything. Show me the same group at twice the distance and you're showing me 1/2 the MOA. Since i'm putting up the money, I get to pick the degree of "improvement".

But the principle still applies - forget different shots. Take ONE bullet coming out of the muzzle at an accurately zeroed target. People are saying this bullet can be off at 100 yards and somehow correct itself at 200. I don't buy it, particularly for any lateral deflection (you can play some games with trajectories, especially slow bullets at long distance, use mortars for an example).

The stabilization thing might account for a larger single bullet hole at given distance if the bullet is wobbling and then stabilizes, but that wouldn't affect the group size any more than shooting .223 vs .308 does.

KeS

[WuzYoungOnceToo]

Brother, go do some research and report back. I'm not going to partake in proving what has already been proven. I don't shoot VLD bullets and I'm not going to work up loads in order to take you up on your fake offer. Like I said... this isn't fiction, it is fact. This is why it is generally accepted that flat-base bullets can be more accurate at short range (200yds and closer) than boat tail bullets are. (Generally)

A particular style of bullet being more accurate than another at short range is fact, to be sure. But that in no way supports your argument that late stabilization can cause a group of bullet trajectories to deviate less from the group's average at longer distances than at shorter ones.