Wow guys ya really went over the top there! I just enjoy shooting with my friends and family. More likely to shoot a skunk, chuck, coon or possum across the yard as a rock at 1700 yards (Though that might be fun too). Not a serious shooter by any stretch of the imagination. I realize many of ya all are. So yeah bargains are good and my girls will learn to shoot the eyes out of a rubber gopher at 100 yards just as well with 34 cent ammo as they would with match grade ammo. Hand loading would of course be great it just isn't feasible for us at this time and frankly results with cheap stuff are pretty amazing. Though as you well know not as consistent as might be expected from factory loads. Hornady especially so far but yes I plan to try some other factory loads to see how far I can get with em. Again for fun.