Thanks, I was going to try 2/10's from 41.4-42.4 (the max Berger recommends), after that if I am not happy I'll play with seating depth. I think I am about .020" jammed right now, can't go much more than that I don't believe so backing out will be the only choice. The last load only gave .135" vertical at 100 yards which is pretty good for me, even shooting off a rest and rear bag, and with the quartering wind we had yesterday I am very happy even with the final groups horizontal, I wasn't trying to hold off the wind at all, just keeping the same hold on the target.