muzz, Thanks for the belly laugh. I've been missing your "short bus" wisdom. ;D I've actually tried this totally futile routine on a properly Devcon bedded action in a laminate stock. Results: ZERO ! Needless to say, I couldn't see any benefit to buying that Hi-tec $150.00 in. lb. torque wrench. This is, however, an excellent way to test your bedding job. If the groups get larger OR smaller......... Back to Bedding 101 ! ;D JMHO based on experience.