B&C Medalist for Model 10 with bottom bolt release & factory DBM

New Product Release

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Part #1012, Savage M40 Style Varmint Tactical Riflestock
Model 10 & 12 with 4.4” screw hole spacing
(Varmint & Heavy barrel, Short Action with Factory Detachable Bottom Magazine)
(Bottom or Top Bolt Release)

Bell and Carlson is pleased to announce that we have added the Savage M40 Style Riflestock to our Medalist lineup. The stock is designed as a “drop-in” to fit the short action Savage Model 10 & 12, with 4.4” Short Action with factory detachable magazine.
The M40 Style Savage riflestock incorporates 2 front and 1 rear sling studs, a premium Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad, and can be ordered in any of the available finishes we offer.

This Stock, like all in the Medalist line, has a full length aluminum bedding system that is computer designed and CNC machined out of aircraft grade 6061-T6 aluminum. The aluminum block extends through he forearm to add strength and stiffness and also has an aluminum “tail piece” from the bedding block through the grip area to add rigidity to strengthen the stock. The stock is designed to be “free-floated”.

Are these so new they are not available yet? Can't find anyone who has some.

Hmmm.... I've been waiting on these but they seem to still not be available for purchase anywhere. I don't like this style so much though... I am more into the A2 Medalist.

Stockys is taking pre-orders now

These are in production currently:
1012 Bottom Bolt Release
1014 Top Bolt Release

M40 style is a great balance between a full vertical grip stock and a traditional hunting stock.

I cannot say for sure, but I believe CDI is producing a DM that will drop into the factory Accustock as well as this stock. The profile will mate up to the bottom contour of the stock with a much cleaner look. This will allow the use of AICS mags with no inletting what so ever.

Thank you for your update on production status.

Questions: Do you know if the Aluminum bedding block in these stocks utilizes a V block design?
Or do these stocks have embedded pillars from the factory?

Stupid question, but what are the physical differences between 1012 and 1014?

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Stupid question, but what are the physical differences between 1012 and 1014?

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M40 Tactical style, DMB Medalist 1012 (heavy bbl) Bottom bolt release.
M40 Tactical style, DMB Medalist 1014 (heavy bbl) Top bolt release.

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Originally Posted by choclabs

M40 Tactical style, DMB Medalist 1012 (heavy bbl) Bottom bolt release.
M40 Tactical style, DMB Medalist 1014 (heavy bbl) Top bolt release.

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Yes, thank you...that does not address the PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES between the two stocks, both of which are designed for centerfeed short actions.

1012 top, 1014 bottom
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Action Portion of Bedding Block

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Both 1012 and 1014 share the same tool in production as well as the same block. The cut illustrated in the first picture on the 1014 is the only physical difference.

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Thank you for the photos.

Based on them, am I safe to assume that there is nothing preventing one from running a bottom bolt release action in the 1014 top release stock, and that the difference is simply inletting for the top bolt release mechanism?

Thanks!

Red Hawk Rifles has the 1012 and 1014 in stock; I ordered a tan 1012 yesterday, it should arrive at my house Friday.

Review to come...

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Red Hawk Rifles has the 1012 and 1014 in stock; I ordered a tan 1012 yesterday, it should arrive at my house Friday.

Review to come...

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Congratulations on your purchase! I know there are many of us looking forward to hearing about some range results from your project. Furthermore it will be most interesting if you choose to at first try the stock without bedding applied to see what results you can obtain in that configuration. Best of luck with which ever direction you choose to follow.

Will these work on the 11vt with bottom bolt release?

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Originally Posted by 300rem7

Will these work on the 11vt with bottom bolt release?

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My best advice is to send B&C an email with an exact description of what your action is and they will reply with the correct answer. One of their plant workers may even read your post and offer his answer to your query as he has posted pictures of actual aluminum blocks being machined further up in this thread.

I would be over the moon if someone posted a photo of the M40 stock with an Accurate-Mag and, or a CDI DBM to see how it compares to the factory setup (which looks perfect and flush).

If they fit just as well as the factory DBM I would sell two McMillian/CDI stocks and buy two B&C stocks! It's always bugged me how the CDI doesn't fit flush with my McMillian stock.

Poorly lit/terrible iPhone picture time!!!

Savage 11 Trophy Predatory Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor with Vortex HS-T 4-16x44, Burris XTR low, Weaver 20MOA base

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I ordered the stock from Red Hawk Rifles on Monday (happened to notice they were added to their website and showed in stock); shipped Monday afternoon and arrived at my house today (Friday).

The DBM inlet was *very* snug, but factory steel metal fit with no problem.

As you can see, the tang does not appear to be floated.

Feels MUCH better prone than the factory tupperware.

Allah willing, I'll be able to shoot it early next week (my steel magazine bases are scheduled to arrive from Savage on Monday).

thanks for the pics, i couldn't hold off on these so i purchased one in green for my bottom bolt release. it shipped the same day i ordered it and should be here this wednesday. now for the wait!!!!

Bruce

Well done to B&C for inletting the M40 for Savage rifles. The DBM inlet and the general fit and finish looks great.

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Poorly lit/terrible iPhone picture time!!!

Savage 11 Trophy Predatory Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor with Vortex HS-T 4-16x44, Burris XTR low, Weaver 20MOA base

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I ordered the stock from Red Hawk Rifles on Monday (happened to notice they were added to their website and showed in stock); shipped Monday afternoon and arrived at my house today (Friday).

The DBM inlet was *very* snug, but factory steel metal fit with no problem.

As you can see, the tang does not appear to be floated.

Feels MUCH better prone than the factory tupperware.

Allah willing, I'll be able to shoot it early next week (my steel magazine bases are scheduled to arrive from Savage on Monday).

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I assume that you mounted w/o bedding, since you have it in place same day of arrival. I have only had 1 Savage rifle so far, Model 10 Predator Hunter Max 1 w/fluted 24" barrel in caliber .243WIN. I now have a brand new, 1 box of cartridges shot through it, exact same Savage factory barrel in 6.5 CM for my rifle, with a Farrell 10MOA steel rail. Was able to pick it up from a guy on Predator Masters forum for $133.00 delivered.

I am grateful to you and others who will prove this stock to the Savage forum members. Should we be concerned that the tang is not floated, relative to accuracy? Best of luck with your range session, looking forward to seeing some great results. And thanks for showing us the factory inlet fit on this B&C stock!

I have a Hog Hunter in 308. Can it be modified to use in this stock.

I ordered mine from RedHawk on Thursday and should get here on Friday... Thanks for the pics Boilerup! I can't wait to get mine. I'll post pics here since it will be green with black webbing.

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thanks for the pics, i couldn't hold off on these so i purchased one in green for my bottom bolt release. it shipped the same day i ordered it and should be here this wednesday. now for the wait!!!!

Bruce

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just as they said, it would be here wednesday and it arrived today. i get the barreled action mounted up tomorrow and try to get it out in the next day or so. looks nice!

Bruce

Let us know how it goes. I suspect there's a bunch of people waiting to see how these work.

Put another 50 through the 11 Trophy Predator Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor with #1012 Medalist yesterday...in four 5-shot 100yd groups, average group size was a tick under 0.7" with the best group coming in at a hair over 0.4" using the generic 140gr Creedmoor "box" recipe (41.5gr H4350, 140gr HPBT, 2.81" COAL). Without a flier increasing one group to just under 1", the average size would have been right at 0.6".

The rifle has also shot factory 140gr Amax loads (lot 314xxxx) very well, consistently producing similar results.

Compared with the factory tupperware, the M40 Medalist has a higher cheekweld and is more stable off a bipod. The grip is also slightly more vertical than the factory stock, which I prefer. While I'm not sure the stock changed the mechanical accuracy of the system, with those ergonomic changes the stock provides I am more comfortable behind the rifle, which has improved MY results. That said, the cheekweld is still a *bit* lower than I'd prefer using a 20MOA base with Vortex HST 4-16x and Burris XTR 30mm low rings, but with a Triad stock pack it is juuuuuuuuuuuuuuust right.

I currently own a McMillan A5 and a Manners T2, and while both are GREAT stocks I think the M40 Medalist provides exceptional value.

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Put another 50 through the 11 Trophy Predator Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor with #1012 Medalist yesterday...in four 5-shot 100yd groups, average group size was a tick under 0.7" with the best group coming in at a hair over 0.4" using the generic 140gr Creedmoor "box" recipe (41.5gr H4350, 140gr HPBT, 2.81" COAL). Without a flier increasing one group to just under 1", the average size would have been right at 0.6".

The rifle has also shot factory 140gr Amax loads (lot 314xxxx) very well, consistently producing similar results.

Compared with the factory tupperware, the M40 Medalist has a higher cheekweld and is more stable off a bipod. The grip is also slightly more vertical than the factory stock, which I prefer. While I'm not sure the stock changed the mechanical accuracy of the system, with those ergonomic changes the stock provides I am more comfortable behind the rifle, which has improved MY results. That said, the cheekweld is still a *bit* lower than I'd prefer using a 20MOA base with Vortex HST 4-16x and Burris XTR 30mm low rings, but with a Triad stock pack it is juuuuuuuuuuuuuuust right.

I currently own a McMillan A5 and a Manners T2, and while both are GREAT stocks I think the M40 Medalist provides exceptional value.

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BoilerUP - Thanks for sharing your range report results with us. Obviously you are producing groups that are very respectable for the change to B&C without bedding the action. The better fit is also good to hear about. Here we go with my OPINION after reading your results report - Potential accuracy gains to be returned as a result of bedding your action may be insignificant. Why do I say that? Because after more rounds down range it is highly likely that you have a .5" MOA rifle as your current report tends to indicate. Making that a .25" MOA rifle after a bedding job does not seem to be a realistic result to anticipate. But I do believe you will become more consistent in the .5" MOA or lower range of results.

I share my OPINION regarding bedding with all who are interested in moving to this stock, fully expecting you and others to state agreement or disagreement regarding the return on effort resulting in performing a bedding job.

I would be willing to pay an extra $100 if B&C created a V block design with their aluminum insert similar to the Manners Mini chassis option. I'm holding out to see if Magpul produces their new chassis stock for the Savage owners as it would be a very affordable means of getting V block technology support which would provide a switchable action + barrel combination with small or no re-zero of your scope. It will also be of interest to see if any early customers of this B&C stock choose to have their action bedded and any accuracy improvements are realized.

I *might* see a small but measurable accuracy gain from skim bedding my stock...but I must weigh the potential upside in fractional accuracy improvement with the cost (financial and time) and for me, I don't see the value in doing so at this time. If I experience inconsistency and/or fliers, my perspective might change.

Chad Dixon @ LongRifles Inc has come up with a process to machine "surface" the bedding block of stocks so equipped after CAD mapping each individual action, so that it is completely stress-free and multiple removals/reinstalls of the barreled action results in no shift in zero. It is more expensive than bedding, but probably closer to what you desire (I think the service is $150-200).

I have received a reply from LongRifles, Inc of Sturgis SD stating that at this time they are not taking Savage rifles to perform this "Surfaced Chassis Block Machining" work on.

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I *might* see a small but measurable accuracy gain from skim bedding my stock...but I must weigh the potential upside in fractional accuracy improvement with the cost (financial and time) and for me, I don't see the value in doing so at this time. If I experience inconsistency and/or fliers, my perspective might change.

Chad Dixon @ LongRifles Inc has come up with a process to machine "surface" the bedding block of stocks so equipped after CAD mapping each individual action, so that it is completely stress-free and multiple removals/reinstalls of the barreled action results in no shift in zero. It is more expensive than bedding, but probably closer to what you desire (I think the service is $150-200).

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BoilerUP - Have you found any clearance issues with the tang area? Did you have to do any customizing in that area to improve the free float characteristics for the tang portion of the action? And what are the torque settings that you are using?

Over the past few days i have looked at the LongRifles, Inc. bedding area surface details from some of the SH links that you have shared with me and on their website too. But I have also just now looked at the Gunner75 details from the B&C factory. I honestly cannot tell any difference in how B&C has prepared this aluminum bedding block versus LRI. I doubt that B&C could achieve any additional matting surface are between the action and their aluminum block if they tried. You are among the earliest of adopters of this new B&C product and are in a better position to compare what you have to the Gunner75 factory shots and the very detailed closeup pictures of his work. What I do know is that it is working for you and hopefully several others will also post some of their early range reports too.

Torque is "hand tight", and while the tang isn't free floated I don't plan to do so unless the rifle throws fliers or shows other signs of imprecision via groups.

After reading this thread I couldn't resist...

Got mine in today from Red Hawk Rifles. Had to order the DBM, metal bottom plate for the mag and a metal trigger guard from Savage.

Installation was pretty painless. Interested to see how it shoots at the range this weekend.

Model 11 Trophy Predator Hunter in .223

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Thanks for this post. Is that a factory bolt knob? I'm liking the tan and black color look. If you would please consider posting your range report on my other thread "New B&C Savage M40 Style Riflestock request for range reports". I hope it shoots as good or better than the AccuStock it is replacing. And hoping it prints smaller groups too!

I'm all ears fellas. Ask away. Please keep in mind we built this rifle stock to accommodate the mass selection of Savage rifles produced. There are many accuracy improvements over what we offer. Tang float, bedding, etc. This stock was created from customer demand.

We are about to release the #1017 Sporter LA DM rifle stock as well. Once again, answered buy request of many here. Keep em coming, we are doing what we can.

***The factory DM unit fit is pretty snug. Good reason for this. Variation. The majority of units we have bolted up to our stocks have been snug but fit. A few have been a bit off and they require some light contouring of the radius corners at the rear of the magbox and rear trigger guard inlet. .030" is about max on clearance.

I'm gonna leave me personal email address here. I've missed some messages. wade_dunn@sbcglobal.net

Gunner75 - Thanks for jumping in on this thread, esp. the pre-retail pictures of the bedding block. It seems that B&C has maximized the surface contact between the action and the aluminum bedding block. At least your close up pictures seem to indicate this. If you get another chance for a close up to post, would you please show some of the detail in where the recoil lug interfaces with the bedding block. It is not uncommon for Savage owners to change out the factory recoil lug when switching out from the factory stock to an OEM version. I am also hoping that B&C is looking into machining the bedding block as part of your light weight stock offerings. The current stocks are creating near to and over 10lb rifles with heavy sporter contour barrels. I know my wife hunts and carries her own gear around and does prefer a lighter rifle that I do.

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Thanks for this post. Is that a factory bolt knob? I'm liking the tan and black color look. If you would please consider posting your range report on my other thread "New B&C Savage M40 Style Riflestock request for range reports". I hope it shoots as good or better than the AccuStock it is replacing. And hoping it prints smaller groups too!

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Just got back from the range and was very happy with how it shot. Will post on the other thread.

That is an aftermarket tactical handle from Tactical Works that I just installed at the same time of the B&C stock. Really liking that also.

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Stupid question, but no problems removing bolt with high cheek?

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Stupid question, but no problems removing bolt with high cheek?

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None...its not that high.

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I'm all ears fellas. Ask away. Please keep in mind we built this rifle stock to accommodate the mass selection of Savage rifles produced. There are many accuracy improvements over what we offer. Tang float, bedding, etc. This stock was created from customer demand.

We are about to release the #1017 Sporter LA DM rifle stock as well. Once again, answered buy request of many here. Keep em coming, we are doing what we can.

***The factory DM unit fit is pretty snug. Good reason for this. Variation. The majority of units we have bolted up to our stocks have been snug but fit. A few have been a bit off and they require some light contouring of the radius corners at the rear of the magbox and rear trigger guard inlet. .030" is about max on clearance.

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Any chance of a blind mag, top release version coming out?

Thanks!

Left hand long action bottom release in the future at all? I would order one tonight if so.

Awesome!!! I am very glad to see that Bell & Carlson is listening to the Savage community. I will be ordering a short action stock in the near future.

How soon will the LA DM Sporter stock #1017 be released? Is there a projected date?

Thanks again B&C!!!

The first run of the #1017 is happening this week. Should have a little inventory in a week or two. Official release is any day.

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The first run of the #1017 is happening this week. Should have a little inventory in a week or two. Official release is any day.

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Thank you. I also appreciate the fast responses. I see 2 B&C stocks coming my way in the very near future!

Has anyone fitted an aftermarket DBM such as CDI, Accurate-Mag or PTG in the M40 stock.

Would be very grateful to see if they fit as well as the factory mag set up.

...and Gunner75 any plans for a LA M40!

CDI has done some of the #1012's and #1014's but I have not put my hands on one yet. I was informed by CDI it went slick and smooth. We had spoke about CDI altering there footprint to fit the factory DM footprint. CDI is waiting on demand and I think they will knock it out. Give em a shout if this is something you guys would like to see.

LA M40........................(same set up as the SA?).......................It's on the build schedule but the factory guns that come in this configuration seems to be lacking a bit. Let me know your thoughts and I will add it to the requests.
***When I speak about configuration--------What Savage Long Action model rifle is set up just like the #1012 or #1014 as far as factory bottom metal/2 pc/detachable mag top or bottom bolt release?

Also, I don't have a barreled action just yet, but when I do I plan on taking our new #1017 and opening it up to a varmint contour and posting up some pictures as there has been a lot of request on that model.

LA M40 style set up for a blind mag heavy barrel to fit the 110FPs would sure be nice.
There are a whole lot of these rigs out there still wearing factory tupperware because their haven't been many options. I've been hoping something reasonably priced and not quite as heavy or ugly as the Choate would come along.

Sounds good about the CDI bottom metal, I'll email him and ask as well.

In terms of long action stocks the best option (for me) would be a M40 style stock, side bolt release, either blind or DBM, or both. I have 3 LA Savages that started with sporter barrels but now all have varmint barrels on them. That's the best thing about owning a Savage.

looking forward in seeing the new stock #1017 opened up to take a heavy barrel.

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CDI has done some of the #1012's and #1014's but I have not put my hands on one yet. I was informed by CDI it went slick and smooth. We had spoke about CDI altering there footprint to fit the factory DM footprint. CDI is waiting on demand and I think they will knock it out. Give em a shout if this is something you guys would like to see.

LA M40........................(same set up as the SA?).......................It's on the build schedule but the factory guns that come in this configuration seems to be lacking a bit. Let me know your thoughts and I will add it to the requests.
***When I speak about configuration--------What Savage Long Action model rifle is set up just like the #1012 or #1014 as far as factory bottom metal/2 pc/detachable mag top or bottom bolt release?

Also, I don't have a barreled action just yet, but when I do I plan on taking our new #1017 and opening it up to a varmint contour and posting up some pictures as there has been a lot of request on that model.

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i'm for any long action, blind mag or DBM with the side bolt release but that's just me. i don't have any bottom bolt release on my long actions. i could go for 2 stocks anyway, one for varmint and one for sporter barrel.

Bruce

I would like the M40 stock offered for both the long action and short action, with DBM, for top OR bottom bolt release, and with the option of sporter barrel OR heavy barrel. I don't know if LOP is optional or not, but I would like to see that too since I use the standard 13.5" LOP for my applications, but everyone is different. I run DBM on my rifles, but also shoot different barrels.

I am actually trying to find the long action M40 with DBM for sporter barrel. I have a 280 coming together that I want to try this stock with.

Okay. I ordered a new medalist for a long action sporter barrel. Had to back order since I couldn't find my color choice available anywhere.

Why doesn't B&C offer the medalist sporter style for the Savage short actions? Why just the long actions?
I'd love to have a short action stock to try out.